Seems like an older restoration? or a Not very Good one.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/DA0920-447390/1965-shelby-gt350-fastback/?utm_source=S109.1&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=DA20
This early-production 1965 Shelby GT350 Fastback, serial number SFM5S192, is one of just 521 street GT350s built that first year of production and has undergone a professional restoration to Concours standards. Its history begins with its arrival at Shelby American on April 1, 1965; as if to illustrate the frenetic pace of early GT350 production, work began on the car on April 27 and was completed just three days later, on April 30. Originally shipped to Milo Brooke, Inc. in Chicago, Illinois, its history includes a number of California owners, as documented with a listing in the Shelby Registry. Finished in Wimbledon White with Blue Le Mans striping and coveted Shelby Cragar 5-spoke wheels, its specifications include the Shelby-modified 289/306 HP "HiPo" V-8 engine with a Holley 715 CFM 4-barrel carburetor on a Cobra aluminum intake manifold, finned aluminum Cobra valve covers, Tri-Y headers and side exhaust, and a Borg Warner 4-speed manual transmission driving a narrowed Galaxie 9-inch rear end with 3.89 gears and Detroit Locker. Modified front suspension mounting points, front disc brakes, traction bars and Koni adjustable shock absorbers also contributed to the GT350's SCCA B Production Championship-winning performance. The standard black Mustang interior was also modified in service to the GT350's mission, as demonstrated in this example's wood-rimmed steering wheel, fiberglass rear floor with covered spare tire and the black plastic dash pod housing a Delco-made 8,000 RPM tachometer with 6,500 RPM redline, and an oil pressure gauge—also made by Delco—both bearing "CS" logos. Of special interest to collectors is this GT350's early-production all-fiberglass plenum hood, a feature that was replaced by steel-reinforced units around serial number 300, and its rare Talbot Berlin side view mirror. Another early production feature is the trunk-mounted Autolite battery; later production cars saw the battery relocated to its original position in the engine compartment.
Would need more work to be "Concours standards".
I saw something that is embarrassing in picture 63 of 67 . Not only did they install the transport tie down removal sticker on the inside of the trunklid which I never saw done before but they were too blind to see the instructions to place the sticker in the license plate area printed in plain sight on the sticker.
Outside of the miss placed sticker, fuel pump and a few other easily fixable items it looks as good or better than most of the restored cars I have seen (on the top side). There are very few cars that are perfect, especially if they are driven.
a repost of a private correspondence regarding this offering:
"....almost unbelievably, all of the photos have been very cleverly cropped so as preclude almost all of the shelby specific 'checking points'. these subtle points are usually showcased or specifically mentioned in this 300-500k 1965 shelby `S resale world.
a 65 is rated on:
-original drivetrain;
-original sheetmetal;
-original 65 shelby-specific parts;
-original month-specific hardware fasteners; and ... for the BIG money (500k+)
-original inferior parts which were soon thrown away by original owners due to being functionally inferior so therefore are now incredibly 'collectible' due to numerical rarity.
I mean who the F kept a 'W-MO 3-65 dated G-2 stamped' two row 17" radiator? or a 4 blade HiPo fan? or a 3939S 'button top' fuel pump? all useless. now worth $$$$$$$$
anyway on this car absolutely no information is offered. just some standard hot-rod mag generic shelby gibble. no mention of the serialized original engine, no mention of original (date-coded) sheetmetal/glass, no chassis or suspension photos. wa-wa-WHAT??
if it's not mentioned its most probably not there. this thing is being pushed at a high end auction.
what little can be seen is merely 'ok'. I mean it presents well but the cropped engine pic shows the wrong fuel pump, the omission of the shelby specific fasteners atop the shock tower caps, a repop oil filler cap (w/o factory dimples--a collectible) and no way of verifying the heads, intake, block, carb, dist, front cover, etc.
the interior pic show the wrong shifter handle and no way of seeing the dash and the all-important horn switch. cant see anything.
now it would be really something if it had all of its sheetmetal, drivetrain and the suspension was concours... and there is a chance that it may. but this is the Mecum. not that Mecum is the pinnacle, but the promoters know enough generically on how to present a high end car if it does indeed have its bona fides."
Agreed there is a glaring lack of specifics in the write up. I always assume if it is not specifically stated then it isn't the case, ie: original engine, etc., and that the auction houses are not there to assure the integrity of the car but rather to sell it at the highest price by hyping it up.
This looks like a nice clean driver but I would want to inspect closely before bidding or placing a value on it.
It's funny because I laughed when I received the email advertisement about this vehicle yesterday. It says "Professionally Restored 1965 Shelby GT350", and then they include a picture of the 4 speed shifter. Yikes, are they going for a "restored" vibe, or an "original" one? That handle is rough.
It's also the wrong shift handle. Bend is too sharp.
Quote from: sfm5 on October 07, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
Agreed there is a glaring lack of specifics in the write up. I always assume if it is not specifically stated then it isn't the case, ie: original engine, etc., and that the auction houses are not there to assure the integrity of the car but rather to sell it at the highest price by hyping it up.
This looks like a nice clean driver but I would want to inspect closely before bidding or placing a value on it.
+1.. If I was interested in this car, the first call I would make would be to Howard to see what is known about it and then try to find the owner history by speaking with them. The auction houses don't know and don't care, they are there as you said, to sale a car and collection their commission.
Quote from: KR Convertible on October 07, 2020, 10:31:01 AM
It's also the wrong shift handle. Bend is too sharp.
It's an early car , aluminum water pump , round hole steering wheel and bolt on windshield wiper mechanism. Sharp bend stick should be correct. Later cars did have the smooth bend stick.
Quote from: Greg on October 07, 2020, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: sfm5 on October 07, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
Agreed there is a glaring lack of specifics in the write up. I always assume if it is not specifically stated then it isn't the case, ie: original engine, etc., and that the auction houses are not there to assure the integrity of the car but rather to sell it at the highest price by hyping it up.
This looks like a nice clean driver but I would want to inspect closely before bidding or placing a value on it.
+1.. If I was interested in this car, the first call I would make would be to Howard to see what is known about it and then try to find the owner history by speaking with them. The auction houses don't know and don't care, they are there as you said, to sale a car and collection their commission.
You can count on Howard to be available to check on known history. Past owners are rarely available for a auction car however. For that matter it is seldom that a past owner is available for a private sale car and even then they typically can only provide anecdotal information . I would not get put off by not being able to contact previous owners. As interesting as a past owners stories about the car might be the most important thing is inspection of the car by someone knowledgeable in both historical details and collision repairs if you want to know about the bones. I can remember hearing stories about a car from the past owner of a 70 Shelby that a seller had given me a number to contact him. I was inspecting for a potential buyer and the past owner went on and on about how great it was but when I got to the inspection and the car was on a lift you couldn't go more then twelve inches in any direction without finding evidence of some kind of patch. It was one of the worst still driving Shelby's I had ever seen in that respect. Pretty from the outside though.
Wasn't a previous owner on the forum at some point? I have old pictures of the car when it was restored long ago, maybe in late 70's/early 80's.
Registry notes steel wheels and no LeMans stripes.
I'd be estatic owning 1 of 562 '65 Shelbys, regardless of the nitpicking going on here.
Quote from: 69mach351w on October 07, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
What difference does it matter how many anyone owns. You guys beat all I've ever seen here!! Some of you anyway. Geez!!
No idea why you got your panties in a twist. The folks on here do try to educate but you look at it as nitpicking. If you were interested in purchasing this car you would be reading this thread and trying to glean all you could from the guys that know.... at least I know I would.
You say you would be happy to just own one, okay how about laying out $400K large of your hard money only to find out that the car (remember you were just happy to have one) was rebodied and worth $75K, I bet your tune would change then.
So my advice, sit back, listen and learn. That is what I try to do.
Bravo Greg! 8)
+1 ^
Mike
Be ecstatic owning one. I never said I'd buy one, I'd have better things to spend $400k "large" on than a Shelby just to sit in a garage and look at. Because remember, your own words,most of you on here are not in this for a profit.
So, Greg, Lol. You gonna spend $400k large on a 65 Shelby to get it out and drive it??
Quote from: 69mach351w on October 07, 2020, 08:52:53 PM
Be ecstatic owning one. I never said I'd buy one, I'd have better things to spend $400k "large" on than a Shelby just to sit in a garage and look at. Because remember, your own words,most of you on here are not in this for a profit.
So, Greg, Lol. You gonna spend $400k large on a 65 Shelby to get it out and drive it??
I never said most on here aren't in this for profit, not sure where you got that? I do believe however that one should buy a car because they love it regardless of its potential value but that also doesn't mean you have to be ignorant.
Please watch, two weeks ago... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cic4Eg72Jxs&t=58s
In fact, I have put 1000 miles on mine since April... :D
Quote from: 69mach351w on October 07, 2020, 08:52:53 PM
Be ecstatic owning one. I never said I'd buy one, I'd have better things to spend $400k "large" on than a Shelby just to sit in a garage and look at. Because remember, your own words,most of you on here are not in this for a profit.
So, Greg, Lol. You gonna spend $400k large on a 65 Shelby to get it out and drive it??
Why does it matter if we own one and drive it to you?
Why does it matter if someone sells a car "here" for a profit?
Does it matter if someone sells a car "here" for a loss?
Must be part of the "Secret SAAC Police" I am not aware of...
Just trying to Understand... 8)
i spended 400 K , to buy , fixed , ameliored 241 ,learning on this forum what's correct or no , and i m driving it , and il will loose money when i will sale it in 30 years , but i got my dream made true , that's what's matter the most ! And i think i m not alone here !
+1 Chris. Went to cars and coffee last weekend. I do worry about Texas deer while driving on the country roads though.....
According to the registry, this car came without Le Mans stripes and it had steel wheels.
I also believe the shifter should be the rounded version as the car was produced at San Jose
late March 1965.
A very common mistake on restored cars are the kick panel lack of fastener screws. It should be three.
Overall I see this as a very nice car and some new owner will be very happy. At 17, I saw the movie "Red Line 7000"
in a movie theater in Stockholm, Sweden in 1965 and I told myself, I will own a 65 one of these days.
It took me 23 years and a move to the US to fulfill this dream. Thanks Rick.
Texas Swede
Quote from: SBCARGUY on October 07, 2020, 10:15:30 PM
Quote from: 69mach351w on October 07, 2020, 08:52:53 PM
Be ecstatic owning one. I never said I'd buy one, I'd have better things to spend $400k "large" on than a Shelby just to sit in a garage and look at. Because remember, your own words,most of you on here are not in this for a profit.
So, Greg, Lol. You gonna spend $400k large on a 65 Shelby to get it out and drive it??
Why does it matter if we own one and drive it to you?
Why does it matter if someone sells a car "here" for a profit?
Does it matter if someone sells a car "here" for a loss?
Must be part of the "Secret SAAC Police" I am not aware of...
Just trying to Understand... 8)
yeah, I never understood that animosity for someone who finds cars and sells them for a profit. I lost money on my first Mustang I bought in 1977 and sold in 1979 and that was it(too many cars at my parents house-cars or find another place to live at 19). Great run since. It is the thrill of the chase to find them for a great or fair price. Put sweat equity into them(have restored many to different levels) or not. Those who do it for a living should never apologize for profiting off of their hard work. Those who do it to fund their passion shouldn't either. Just remember to pay uncle Sam his cut. :D
Great Reply.
Thanks for Sharing! 8)
Should the master cyl cap be anodized or black?
At what point was the wiper collar discontinued?
Master cylinder cap is black for 65 350s.
Just wanted to make sure memory hasn't failed me (yet).
Quote from: mygt350 on October 10, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
At what point was the wiper collar discontinued?
When the shape of the cowl changed so that the bezel were not needed. Base of wiper arm changed at the same time.
Bob
Any idea about which car number the change took place?
Quote from: mygt350 on October 10, 2020, 11:07:37 AM
Bob
Any idea about which car number the change took place?
Sorry, I do not have a definitive answer. I am not surprised 192 has them . Getting close to the changeover.
As far as I understand the change over was on April 1:st 1965 and car #192 arrived at SA in LA that same day and must have been one of the last with the bezel around the opening.
Texas Swede
Quote from: Greg on October 07, 2020, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: 69mach351w on October 07, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
What difference does it matter how many anyone owns. You guys beat all I've ever seen here!! Some of you anyway. Geez!!
No idea why you got your panties in a twist. The folks on here do try to educate but you look at it as nitpicking. If you were interested in purchasing this car you would be reading this thread and trying to glean all you could from the guys that know.... at least I know I would.
You say you would be happy to just own one, okay how about laying out $400K large of your hard money only to find out that the car (remember you were just happy to have one) was rebodied and worth $75K, I bet your tune would change then.
So my advice, sit back, listen and learn. That is what I try to do.
AMEN!
There is so much information available on this site! Its not the site, its the people who are willing to share their knowledge with others. The glue is the history of the cars. Thanks to all who took the time to run this piece of information to conclusion.
Quote from: mygt350 on October 10, 2020, 11:07:37 AM
Bob
Any idea about which car number the change took place?
Cars were not build in the same order as they were built/completed as Mustangs so a car with a larger/higher Shelby VIN may have earlier features than a car with a lower Shelby number.
Got to go back to their Ford VIN and even there they were not built in sequential order nor do we have good records of when each was completed as we do with 67 and up built cars.
Hi Jeff,
You are correct but #192 can't have been built after April one as it arrived at SA that day. Also, most likely that
car is from the 201 series while the cars Martin and I own are in the 217 series and produced in the end of April.
Also both our cars have no signs of ever had the 65 type with a bezel around the opening.
Texas Swede
This was a seagull thread - fly in s#!t all over the car and then flay away ;D
Thanks to those who know early cars and set the record straight..