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Title: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 06:22:28 AM
Has anyone replaced the rubber on the front shocks at the top where the bracket bolts to the shock tower cap? I got the original Autolite shocks for my car and the rubber is cracked up. Thanks. Gary
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: TOBKOB on August 14, 2024, 08:51:12 AM
Yes...I used lube, a vise, and a lot of effort and patience.  :)
I have a press now that I didn't have back then which may have made the job easier... good luck...

TOB
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: TOBKOB on August 14, 2024, 08:51:12 AMYes...I used lube, a vise, and a lot of effort and patience.  :)
I have a press now that I didn't have back then which may have made the job easier... good luck...

TOB
Where do you get the replacement rubber from?
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: roddster on August 14, 2024, 11:06:27 AM
Buy a new set of Mustang shocks and Carefully remove the rubber you need.
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: roddster on August 14, 2024, 11:06:27 AMBuy a new set of Mustang shocks and Carefully remove the rubber you need.
I guess what I would like to know before starting is what does the rubber look like. What does the bracket look like inside the rubber or shall I say by it self? That would help me determine my course of action. As a tool and die maker I have a lot at my disposal. I got my 68 Shelby shocks but I also want to do a set of 69 Boss 429 shocks for my friend as he needs to replace the metal parts because they  were "shortened" on the ends. 
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 14, 2024, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: roddster on August 14, 2024, 11:06:27 AMBuy a new set of Mustang shocks and Carefully remove the rubber you need.
I guess what I would like to know before starting is what does the rubber look like. What does the bracket look like inside the rubber or shall I say by it self? That would help me determine my course of action. As a tool and die maker I have a lot at my disposal. I got my 68 Shelby shocks but I also want to do a set of 69 Boss 429 shocks for my friend as he needs to replace the metal parts because they  were "shortened" on the ends. 
The rubber bushing and cross bar in the B9 and 68 Shelby should be the the same as on your original 70 GT350 shocks that I assume are there . Gabriel was a OEM mfg. to Ford and most likely who made your friends B9 shocks and most definitely the Shelby shocks.
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: Royce Peterson on August 14, 2024, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 14, 2024, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: roddster on August 14, 2024, 11:06:27 AMBuy a new set of Mustang shocks and Carefully remove the rubber you need.
I guess what I would like to know before starting is what does the rubber look like. What does the bracket look like inside the rubber or shall I say by it self? That would help me determine my course of action. As a tool and die maker I have a lot at my disposal. I got my 68 Shelby shocks but I also want to do a set of 69 Boss 429 shocks for my friend as he needs to replace the metal parts because they  were "shortened" on the ends. 
The rubber bushing and cross bar in the B9 and 68 Shelby should be the the same as on your original 70 GT350 shocks that I assume are there . Gabriel was a OEM mfg. to Ford and most likely who made your friends B9 shocks and most definitely the Shelby shocks.

Bob is correct - I bought Monroe and Gabriel shocks to do this with, The Gabriels were the right diameter. The Monroes were not!
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 01:14:34 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 14, 2024, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: roddster on August 14, 2024, 11:06:27 AMBuy a new set of Mustang shocks and Carefully remove the rubber you need.
I guess what I would like to know before starting is what does the rubber look like. What does the bracket look like inside the rubber or shall I say by it self? That would help me determine my course of action. As a tool and die maker I have a lot at my disposal. I got my 68 Shelby shocks but I also want to do a set of 69 Boss 429 shocks for my friend as he needs to replace the metal parts because they  were "shortened" on the ends. 
The rubber bushing and cross bar in the B9 and 68 Shelby should be the the same as on your original 70 GT350 shocks that I assume are there . Gabriel was a OEM mfg. to Ford and most likely who made your friends B9 shocks and most definitely the Shelby shocks.
THanks. My GT350 has those replacement Gabriels rom the 90s. I'm referring to my original autolite shocks in my 68 Shelby. They had never been out until I pulled them a few weeks ago. I'm detailing them out now but before I paint them I want to replace the rubber in them.
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 01:25:20 PM
Quote from: Royce Peterson on August 14, 2024, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 14, 2024, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: roddster on August 14, 2024, 11:06:27 AMBuy a new set of Mustang shocks and Carefully remove the rubber you need.
I guess what I would like to know before starting is what does the rubber look like. What does the bracket look like inside the rubber or shall I say by it self? That would help me determine my course of action. As a tool and die maker I have a lot at my disposal. I got my 68 Shelby shocks but I also want to do a set of 69 Boss 429 shocks for my friend as he needs to replace the metal parts because they  were "shortened" on the ends. 
The rubber bushing and cross bar in the B9 and 68 Shelby should be the the same as on your original 70 GT350 shocks that I assume are there . Gabriel was a OEM mfg. to Ford and most likely who made your friends B9 shocks and most definitely the Shelby shocks.

Bob is correct - I bought Monroe and Gabriel shocks to do this with, The Gabriels were the right diameter. The Monroes were not!
Thanks Royce. So how did you proceed in removing the old rubber? I got some Konis from 1970 I want to do also.
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: TOBKOB on August 14, 2024, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: TOBKOB on August 14, 2024, 08:51:12 AMYes...I used lube, a vise, and a lot of effort and patience.  :)
I have a press now that I didn't have back then which may have made the job easier... good luck...

TOB
Where do you get the replacement rubber from?
I bought Gabriel shocks and pressed the cross bar out (use lube) and pressed them in. It has been 12 or so years since I did it but like I said earlier it takes a lot of patience. I didn't take pics of the process but I have pic before and after.
TOB
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 14, 2024, 09:24:53 PM
Dan Patch does nice work, he recently replaced the upper rubber on an original set of '68 adjustable Autolites for me.

https://dansshocks.com/mustang-shelby-and-boss/
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: Special Ed on August 14, 2024, 10:11:39 PM
i started rebushing front shocks back 40 years ago and helped dan on the ford shocks as he was only doing vette shocks at first and been to his place in kansas who lived bhy 2 of my brothers and he knows what he is doing rebuilding shocks.
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: Royce Peterson on August 14, 2024, 10:54:46 PM
Quote from: TOBKOB on August 14, 2024, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 14, 2024, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: TOBKOB on August 14, 2024, 08:51:12 AMYes...I used lube, a vise, and a lot of effort and patience.  :)
I have a press now that I didn't have back then which may have made the job easier... good luck...

TOB
Where do you get the replacement rubber from?
I bought Gabriel shocks and pressed the cross bar out (use lube) and pressed them in. It has been 12 or so years since I did it but like I said earlier it takes a lot of patience. I didn't take pics of the process but I have pic before and after.
TOB

I did the same. Sprayed the top of the shock with 20 weight oil then pressed it out. Lubed the rubber with vaseline and pressed it in. Relatively easy. 
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 15, 2024, 05:52:36 AM
Thanks everyone. I guess my next step is to make some parts that hold the shock and to also press the cross bar out. Does anyone have any pics of the cross bar out? Is it just a straight flat piece?
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: Royce Peterson on August 15, 2024, 08:40:28 AM
Pics I took:

Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: Special Ed on August 15, 2024, 08:41:36 AM
Ford had a shop tool to press in new shafts with bushing on the shaft and sold the shafts and bushings under a c20z # if i remember correctly . Removing  old bushing is easy since its already worn and split rubber but make sure and clean and lube the shock eyelet before pressing in bushing and use a vise to hold shaft and and twist and push down shock when installing new bushing. Send me your addres and i will loan u my shock tool that helps hold bushing in place on shaft so bushing sits in center of shaft when pressed on and tool helps the bushing from getting split on the ends.
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 15, 2024, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: Special Ed on August 15, 2024, 08:41:36 AMFord had a shop tool to press in new shafts with bushing on the shaft and sold the shafts and bushings under a c20z # if i remember correctly . Removing  old bushing is easy since its already worn and split rubber but make sure and clean and lube the shock eyelet before pressing in bushing and use a vise to hold shaft and and twist and push down shock when installing new bushing. Send me your addres and i will loan u my shock tool that helps hold bushing in place on shaft so bushing sits in center of shaft when pressed on and tool helps the bushing from getting split on the ends.
Thanks. Are you coming for Woodward or if so are you already here? I can probably make a few of those tools also .I did for the dash bezels for 69.
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 15, 2024, 09:00:00 AM
Quote from: Royce Peterson on August 15, 2024, 08:40:28 AMPics I took:


Thank you very much for the pics Royce!
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: Royce Peterson on August 15, 2024, 09:02:26 AM
More pics:
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: Special Ed on August 15, 2024, 10:53:55 PM
Not going to woodward tooo busy just got 2 more b9s in here so  working on 4 now for 55th boss nats and our fall classic show.
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: TLea on August 18, 2024, 11:23:53 AM
Yes with patience you can use original crossbar but reason it's so difficult is that's not how originally done. Bare tube was put in then ends crimped and slotted
Title: Re: rubber replacement front shocks
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 20, 2024, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: TLea on August 18, 2024, 11:23:53 AMYes with patience you can use original crossbar but reason it's so difficult is that's not how originally done. Bare tube was put in then ends crimped and slotted
I didn't know that. Thanks