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#1
Parts For Sale / Re: 1967 428 A scratch block
March 27, 2025, 07:32:40 AM
Probably a $1500 to $2000 item but it is a part for a vehicle with less market potential then a '67 GT500 so any price is speculative at best.

The issue with those blocks in general is that they will take bigger over bores which is a plus but 1) they have a tendency to pin hole at say something like .015 or .020 and generally need to go .030 but 2) they also have a peculiarity in that the engines SEEM to run hotter at larger over bores. "A reputation of running hotter with an overbore".

That can be a very unfair speculation that effects value because that seems to be a random situation but it is what the discussion centers around often.


Having been in search of a "period correct" block for a late '67 GT500, it took me quite a while to find one. About 30 years in fact. Others may comment similarly as well with the determining factor finding a "good period correct date" for your vehicle?

Most of those blocks likely will come from unrestorable Tbirds. The saving grace making them useable being that none of the blocks are chassis number stamped by Ford, so no one can prove it is original to the original Ford build, just that it is period correct, even when IT IS original to the car.


A non rusted or corroded standard bore A scratch with a casting date within the expected Ford variation of car build v. engine build date is gold. That is the king of the hill. Those could reach or may have reached a $5,000 vale already? No one knows for sure, just what we see in asking prices. Potentially as valuable as a 427 side oiler block in similar condition?
#2
Any way you look at it, it's super cool. Wear a bungee over your toupee so it don't get sucked off!
#3
Wanted to Buy / Re: C7ZX A intake
March 09, 2025, 12:14:25 PM
#4
Wanted to Buy / Re: Rmodel gas tank splash bucket
March 06, 2025, 03:16:47 PM
I never thought of using a dog dish water bowl? Brilliant thinking!
#5
CSX 3000 Series / Re: CSX30XX?
March 05, 2025, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 05, 2025, 11:25:29 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 05, 2025, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: Cobra Ned on March 04, 2025, 08:53:21 PMAmong other things, the hood prop shouts that it's an Angliss build. And he never had the legal title to start with.


I never noticed that until you mentioned it?

Doesn't the Trunk Lid use the same Prop?

That is what it looks like.
#6
CSX 3000 Series / Re: CSX30XX?
March 05, 2025, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: Cobra Ned on March 04, 2025, 08:53:21 PMAmong other things, the hood prop shouts that it's an Angliss build. And he never had the legal title to start with.


I never noticed that until you mentioned it?
#7
Appeals / Re: Re: David Lee Larson of Larson MasterWorks
February 27, 2025, 09:04:43 AM
As a recent participant in an ancient artifact discussion here, in fact the antagonist in initiating one, I think this really isn't an issue whether or not it is magnesium.

The reason being that no one is going to represent this intake as the ultimate performance intake of all time so that you can build the ultimate performance engine using it now.

It is "an ancient artifact" and that is the reason it is desirable. Like "King Tut's death mask".



Pricing such items is difficult and speculative at best. "He's got it. You want it." It's only a question of what price you can agree on. If you can't come to an agreement, then it is just made out of "unobtainieum".


An example of this thinking in the case of a Ford 427, which is what I presume we are talking about since this post has no pictures posted. is the "lightweight 427 magnesium intake".

In examining what it is, it has no better perfomance/horsepower potential then the aluminum PI version of itself.
It is ONLY about weight savings BACK IN THE DAY, and really is now, ONLY just about it's novelty and the very small production numbers originally.


If you have one and you want to use it on an engine. Great. It's yours. Do what you want with it.
It is definitely a "horse of a different color" and I'm still fascinated at looking at them, strange as they are. But in the end, "so what"?


I remember looking for a "welder" to repair my C6FE aluminum 427 heads. The "shop" was building "Pro Stock Camaro" chassis back in 1985. He was the only qualified aluminum welder that I could find.

They were using Chevy BB Pro Stock cylinder heads for "door stops", so when I dropped my FORD heads off to them and asked for some kind of receipt, they told me why? Aluminum scrap is only $.23 a pound.

Really? How much are heads for a Mk2B GT40 worth?


Anyway, the value is in the eyes of the beholder. The novelty is in knowing what they belong to. That value is in your head. To a Pro-Stock Camaro builder, they are just worth a couple of bucks in scrap. Especially being FORD parts. I had a slightly different perspective.

I couldn't stay any longer to debate that anyway. The cocaine dust permeating the shop had my head spinning and I had to rest a bit just to find my way back home. After all, it was the '80s?



#8
Quote from: pbf777 on February 24, 2025, 07:22:41 PM
Quote from: JohnSlack on February 24, 2025, 06:48:07 PMWell I for one don't have anything else to add to this particular discussion.

    Awh com'on, jump in, the water's fine! Besides...........you just did!  ::)

    Scott.

Too cold here. Jump in the water in Miami.
#9
That is one heck of a lot of cars. :o

Not exactly rare.
#10
I view some things, like these induction combinations, like playing with Legos.

We just take various shapes and assemble them in all possible combinations until we arrive at one with the best results. Sometimes the more outrageous, the better the solution?

Some would call that the empirical method? That is being very diplomatic.  ::)


The way some of you speak of this suggests that there is no carburetor that is too big or none too small? That just makes no logical sense to me whatsoever but this has just turned into a food fight with little or no point anyway?


I would go with copying the actual results as best I can to those who were the most successful in racing. Not to the extent so much as when "Grumpy Jenkins" would pull out his dipstick and hold it up to the sunlight to look for something, and seemingly almost everyone else would also, but looking for the failures that seemed so obvious that I didn't want to go down that road as well?

So then why not have a disagreement? It does seem entertaining to a point? Maybe it is just Quantum Physics and it is the creation of an equal but opposite electron instantaneously created at the opposite end of the Universe, then extinguishes itself instantaneously? Makes as much sense to me?


Some of these combinations are just going to work better then others and one of the keys is this C60A intake. It does seem to have this zenomorph capability and considering the unpredictability of the various carburation combinations, that's as good of an explanation as anything at this point?


I can't help but think though that there is an actual correlation between engine size and carburetor size? Someone could probably even write a simple equation there with a pretty much direct proportion predicting outcome? An outrageously abstract thought isn't it? I probably need shock therapy or some serious medications...but that's another subject all together for another day.
#11
Quote from: CharlesTurner on February 18, 2025, 05:27:25 PMSo the answer to the question, 'which one is yours?'... the white one!

The white one WITH the blue stripes.

First off, "convoys" are illegal in some states. The definition will likely vary from state to state on what one is. Secondly, I don't know how the State Police would impound 51 cars but you could all be charged with "Conspiracy" since the local officer wouldn't be able to identify the specific vehicle targeted and would accuse all of conspiring?
#12
CSX 3000 Series / Re: Interesting , comments welcome .
February 08, 2025, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: Cobra Ned on February 08, 2025, 06:24:48 PMDoug, if Grossman smacked this one, I'm not aware of it. And sadly, Carter has been gone long enough now that when he appears in a photo it's a "Oh yeah, I recall that guy" kind of experience.

It's a long time since I browsed the Cobra Registry. I thought I remembered Grossman bending up a comp car? This one I know he had even if was only briefly.

I remember Carter. I remember riding with Ken Eber in his 289 with Carter behind in his Cammer. He decided to wind the thing up and it kind of sounded like a jet plane taking off from behind us. I think that's where my cap got blow off? Probably got sucked into the intake of it? At 8,000 rpm's the carbs get hungry really fast. 8)
#13
CSX 3000 Series / Re: Interesting , comments welcome .
February 08, 2025, 08:02:02 AM
Quote from: Cobra Ned on February 07, 2025, 09:39:37 PMI note that a number of people agree that it would be a crime to restore this car, because it's so original. But is it? No. It wore its original paint in the photo above with Carter Gette circa '72 in the car with the Country Squire wagon looking to the right. A few years later the car was sold to two more owners, and it was given a restoration that included a repaint in Guardsman Blue. It stayed blue for at least 30 years thereafter until it was "depainted" using ice and a razor blade.
That is why the gold paint has so many spots of blue, and of course the finish looks pretty tired because it was heavily sanded before the repaint in blue. Which one might say is a type of created patina. Is this an unrestored Cobra? Nope. More accurately, it is an "un-restored" Cobra.

It's a long time ago Ned. I didn't recognize Carter? I thought it was Elvis with the sideburns? Didn't that car get wrecked or at least crashed on the left front by Grossman? The "coupe" is hiding in the barn?

I knew someone that could counterfeit patina on art works. He got out of jail a long time ago and changed his name.
#14
CSX 3000 Series / Re: Interesting , comments welcome .
February 07, 2025, 12:33:20 PM
One of the Ford GT's that finished 1-2-3 at Lemans was gold. The #5 car. It seems to suit it well but really is a matter of taste.

My favorite gold car is the the #1 Detomaso Mangusta that was the show car with the glass roof panels and the Corvette coupes in gold look to me to be an outstanding choice.

#15
CSX 3000 Series / Re: Interesting , comments welcome .
February 07, 2025, 10:48:20 AM
One of the Ford GT's that finished 1-2-3 at Lemans was gold. The #5 car. It seems to suit it well but really is a matter of taste.

My favorite gold car is the the #1 Detomaso Mangusta that was the show car with the glass roof panels and the Corvette coupes in gold look to me to be an outstanding choice.

Also everyone is presuming that the Cobra is wearing the original factory applied paint and was never repainted or touched up in it's racing career?