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[Incorrect. Same OP guy, same Bat channel.]

After looking at the writing style, this is one of the experts (accomplice) on this site using a different " PEN NAME "
  Incorrect. Same OP guy, same Bat channel.
I would be curious to know what the LA Detective actually said about the car with first hand knowledge.

He and the car are dead and buried One of these things is not like the other

When I hear this type of thing it makes me think of what Jim's bodyguard Tony Funches was quoted in a story about the search for this car.  "I've told everyone the same thing for years. It got towed after it was totaled. It went to the shredder and is lost forever to early recycling. That's what junkyards do, did do, will do."

The body guard like the detective had it right Please refer to previous for-sale adds

Jim's former brother-in-law Alan Graham, told the story about the car disappearing from LAX in 1969. So there are two people close to Jim Morrison whose stories can be disputed by the for sale adds.

Dazed and confused Alright, alright, alright!

To the question about the license plate being used on another 1967 GT500. It could be entirely possible but I feel unlikely. What I have learned is at that time the license plates were sold with the vehicle. This is how I learned that car collectors can track a car's provenance in California by searching for sale adds via Newspapers.com.

Provenance fancy word used by the Bourgeoisie Rick DeBruhl and Mike Joy use this all the time on Barrett-Jackson.

The last story I heard about this particular car around the time of my OP, is this. The car still exists. It was purchased long before it was ever known to be Jim Morrison's car. It was sitting outside for years and still may be. It is in very poor condition. The person who owned the car has passed on and a car collector has been trying to buy the car for years from the family. This was told to me second hand but was told in a time-frame that the information was current at that time of my OP.

Okedokee You're welcome

I have since been waiting for any type of further news to emerge toward that story to prove it so. Maybe the scenario about the car being reproduced and documented could be true. Maybe I am naive, but I have faith that the Shelby experts will be able verify or disprove any car that shows up purported to be the Blue Lady.

May we suggest a seance I prefer an Ouiji Board. Oh and Jim refuses to give details. He just keeps repeating: I made the blue cars go away. And Mr. MOJO RISIN

THE END...that was what an LA detective who had first hand knowledge told us many years ago happened to this particular car. We had posted this on the original SAAC website."

"That is why we are adamant, that if it does show up it will be the very best replica ever presented to mankind. No one, will be able to tell the difference. Everyone will be nodding and applauding it's return from the ashes."



I'm glad to see this topic is still going along with all the varied opinions. This was my intention for my original post: to keep the dialog going.

I would be curious to know what the LA Detective actually said about the car with first hand knowledge.

When I hear this type of thing it makes me think of what Jim's bodyguard Tony Funches was quoted in a story about the search for this car.  "I've told everyone the same thing for years. It got towed after it was totaled. It went to the shredder and is lost forever to early recycling. That's what junkyards do, did do, will do."

Jim's former brother-in-law Alan Graham, told the story about the car disappearing from LAX in 1969. So there are two people close to Jim Morrison whose stories can be disputed by the for sale adds.

To the question about the license plate being used on another 1967 GT500. It could be entirely possible but I feel unlikely. What I have learned is at that time the license plates were sold with the vehicle. This is how I learned that car collectors can track a car's provenance in California by searching for sale adds via Newspapers.com.

The last story I heard about this particular car around the time of my OP, is this. The car still exists. It was purchased long before it was ever known to be Jim Morrison's car. It was sitting outside for years and still may be. It is in very poor condition. The person who owned the car has passed on and a car collector has been trying to buy the car for years from the family. This was told to me second hand but was told in a time-frame that the information was current at that time of my OP.

I have since been waiting for any type of further news to emerge toward that story to prove it so. Maybe the scenario about the car being reproduced and documented could be true. Maybe I am naive, but I have faith that the Shelby experts will be able verify or disprove any car that shows up purported to be the Blue Lady.

One last thought. The known registration states Jim Morrison C/O Johnson and Harband. So who actually owned the car?       

Also, someone was driving it too. Because the mileage started at 14k in 1970, and increased to 15k when it was last advertised in October 1971.

This looks way too clear to see the car existed post 1971....

The timeframe of his death matches what I was told by someone yesterday, who was a regular at his shop in Inglewood. I've also heard others have already tracked down his son. I'm not aware if that revealed anything or not.

Extensive Google search reveals Ray Wolff imported at least in 1968 a venezuelan Mercer race car and by 1980 he was still around in the race scene or maybe even the Duesenberg restoration scene.

I found this later on:
" Model J - After several owners it became the property of a gentleman by the name of Ray Wolff, who began the restoration process. The late Ray Wolff is a former president of the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Club and a noted Duesenberg historian. He was one of the first automotive historians who realized that proper documentation could enhance the value of a motor car. Ray Wolff died in 1991. His obituary (by today's Duesenberg historian Fred Roe) was published in the Journal of the Society of Automotive Historians. (photo courtesy RM Auctions)"
Not saying that this is the same Ray Wolff..somewhere else they say he found the Duesi in 1962.

I realize you are known for your snarky comments. You know the best thing about those are. It puts the post back on top. Thanks!

Like weird scenes inside the gold mine? 

That's 1969 status quo and we are already past that. I predict the bandwidth is smoking looking for the name Wolff.

nothing to say about something that doesn't exist

"We" aren't past that. You are. Maybe it's hidden in the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine? 

No. Like finding that mine is as likely as finding that car. The highest probability is that neither exist.

Like weird scenes inside the gold mine? 

That's 1969 status quo and we are already past that. I predict the bandwidth is smoking looking for the name Wolff.

nothing to say about something that doesn't exist

"We" aren't past that. You are. Maybe it's hidden in the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine? 

That's 1969 status quo and we are already past that. I predict the bandwidth is smoking looking for the name Wolff.

nothing to say about something that doesn't exist

All I hear is crickets in here since the Ray Wolff revelation. What happened?

[Ray's Hi-Performance Center]

Wow, and there it is. Very cool.

This link clearly shows that he raced in 1968 under the name of Ray's Hi-Performance Center.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/driver/results/Ray-Wolff-USA.html

Obviously it makes sense that Ray Wolff has a link with that sales ad to the licence plate code of the Morrison car.
One step further

From what I have seen Ray Wolff was at Hi-Performance Motors. There was an add where he was looking for salesmen for Cobras and Shelbys. This was Carroll Shelby and Lew Spencer's place correct? Did he leave that business and start his own not far away in Inglewood?

I assume Dave meanwhile used his tools to search the registry (hidden files) for the other JEK616 in that sales ad to find out, if that trace would take the case any further.

I wonder also if someone knows the further history line of Ray Wolffs shop at El Segundo after 68/69 through the 70ies and if there were any linked garages, that could be called Ray's Hi Performance center without being "sued" by Ray Wolff in his neighbourhood along Sepulveda Freeway.

So the question remains if one can look up the business background of this advertising Ray just to add more to the research or skip this.

I am really seeing a coincidence here. 

We've owned a now 52 year old spliced together notchback racer since December 1977 that I have proven sworn history on. All 4 previous owners are alive going back to its purchase after the 1968 racing season in early 1969. It is a never delivered to dealership acapulco blue 1967 GT500 front clip welded mid floor pan to a 1968 notchback. The Ford and Shelby VINs are visible and well documented. The car was purchased in blue paint from Ray Wolff and each subsequent owner has attested to selling it to the next. What is not known is how or why did Ray Wolff splice together a GT500 front clip with a notchback rear clip? It has had a plethora of 1967-1968 TA bits and pieces on it throughout its racing history. Wolff reportedly raced it at Riverside in an SCCA National in 1968 and it was blue #9. According to hangarounds at Wolff's shop he had rooms full of SAI parts and piles of junk everywhere. I was personally told that Wolff was capable of splicing together a race car.

This is interesting information. Ray Wolff worked for Shelby correct? Someone here had speculated that possibly Ray Wolff was the same person as Ray's Hi-Performance Center in Inglewood. Where Morrison's Shelby was listed for-sale in the add. That would be a key-find if so.

We've owned a now 52 year old spliced together notchback racer since December 1977 that I have proven sworn history on. All 4 previous owners are alive going back to its purchase after the 1968 racing season in early 1969. It is a never delivered to dealership acapulco blue 1967 GT500 front clip welded mid floor pan to a 1968 notchback. The Ford and Shelby VINs are visible and well documented. The car was purchased in blue paint from Ray Wolff and each subsequent owner has attested to selling it to the next. What is not known is how or why did Ray Wolff splice together a GT500 front clip with a notchback rear clip? It has had a plethora of 1967-1968 TA bits and pieces on it throughout its racing history. Wolff reportedly raced it at Riverside in an SCCA National in 1968 and it was blue #9. According to hangarounds at Wolff's shop he had rooms full of SAI parts and piles of junk everywhere. I was personally told that Wolff was capable of splicing together a race car.

Bret only has a copy of the last known registration. Not the title of the car. I don't know is on 3rd 

so lets see Bret(who has the title) and Bob say it is possible the car is still around(hey Little Red was found after even that owner was told his car didn't exist by SAAC). Another story by 939 sounds plausible. Tony is adamant the car is long gone and anything "found: would be a fake. So what am I missing here?

There is a well known car collector in California, that has stated several times on another forum that he knows someone (another collector) that has seen the car, and has been trying to buy it for years. It is also been said, that the person who has the car does not know what they have. It's a story, it's plausible, and the latter fits toward the wreck and front half replaced scenario.

  For instance:  I grew up in the car theft capitol of the country - south Chicago.  It was not unheard of cars disappearing, yet, it seems a certain auto wrecking yard always had engines, transmissions, and other parts, but never the chassis that carried it.  The rumors always had it that they cars chassis were torched up into little pieces and put into the scrap bin.

  I believe 939 either dissappeared this way OR it is sitting somewhere unknown to anybody with one of those crotchity old farts sitting around waiting because....I'm gonna fix it up someday.
   I do imagine though, with a good front end wreck the car might have been front - halved, so, proof will be hard to come by.  Another possibility is it is running around on the Fomoco vin.  Out of country, Canada or Mexico.

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Bret owns a copy of the car's California Vehicle Registration from 1969. Apparently the last time it was registered, but not the last it was around as per the adds posted.

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Did everyone have a great St Patties day ! We did

the title has been find in Paris in 1971 , I thought it s been for sale sometime but i can't find when , it was on the old forum .....

Bret from CapeCod Mustang owns it.