Revology 67 GT500 on BAT

[Bill]

If revology is smart, they will bid up this car privately to ensure it closes at a good number.

Didn't a bunch of dealers get caught doing that with 308 Ferrari's in the 80's 

[Coralsnake]

In answer to above question Shelby did not build the Cars, it was a company called Unique.

They were built for "customers"

Shelby had very little to do with the builds other than to collect a royalty.

[bsolo66]

A good friend of mine worked for Revology for a few months. The car bodies were all Dynacorn and my friends job was getting them to fit correctly which he said required a great deal of time.

[shelbydoug]

I question why you would want a replica, when an original can be had for close to, if not the current price.

To each his own I guess.


Bill

I think it is part of the current phenomena in which people travel information wise? It can be seen in other subjects as well. I think that could be accurately called, pretty much documented right now?

Advertising people will talk about how you reach people to make your case.


There just are going to be people that deny reality as some kind of a conspiracy thing? The original cars in this case being the conspiracy and the copies somehow the genuine article? A kind of inverse Universe.

I agree that I would rather have an original, and I do.  But for example, the continuing line of "Elanors" constantly outsell original cars at the auctions. What's that about? That defies logic.

So philosophically it seems to be a valid observation that we are living in multi-dimensional existence simultaneously?


Falling back on earlier less complicated times, I refer to a lyric quote from the "Mashal Tucker Band", "heard it in a love song...can't be wrong!"

Some things you just can't figure, so don't waste your time on trying to. You can't fix it or maybe stated differently, "you can't fix stupid".

[Chris Thauberger]

I question why you would want a replica, when an original can be had for close to, if not the current price.

To each his own I guess.


Bill

I think it is part of the current phenomena in which people travel information wise? It can be seen in other subjects as well. I think that could be accurately called, pretty much documented right now?

Advertising people will talk about how you reach people to make your case.


There just are going to be people that deny reality as some kind of a conspiracy thing? The original cars in this case being the conspiracy and the copies somehow the genuine article? A kind of inverse Universe.

I agree that I would rather have an original, and I do.  But for example, the continuing line of "Elanors" constantly outsell original cars at the auctions. What's that about? That defies logic.

So philosophically it seems to be a valid observation that we are living in multi-dimensional existence simultaneously?


Falling back on earlier less complicated times, I refer to a lyric quote from the "Mashal Tucker Band", "heard it in a love song...can't be wrong!"

Some things you just can't figure, so don't waste your time on trying to. You can't fix it or maybe stated differently, "you can't fix stupid".

BINGO!

You just checked every box on my card.

[shelbydoug]

I question why you would want a replica, when an original can be had for close to, if not the current price.

To each his own I guess.


Bill

I think it is part of the current phenomena in which people travel information wise? It can be seen in other subjects as well. I think that could be accurately called, pretty much documented right now?

Advertising people will talk about how you reach people to make your case.


There just are going to be people that deny reality as some kind of a conspiracy thing? The original cars in this case being the conspiracy and the copies somehow the genuine article? A kind of inverse Universe.

I agree that I would rather have an original, and I do.  But for example, the continuing line of "Elanors" constantly outsell original cars at the auctions. What's that about? That defies logic.

So philosophically it seems to be a valid observation that we are living in multi-dimensional existence simultaneously?


Falling back on earlier less complicated times, I refer to a lyric quote from the "Mashal Tucker Band", "heard it in a love song...can't be wrong!"

Some things you just can't figure, so don't waste your time on trying to. You can't fix it or maybe stated differently, "you can't fix stupid".

BINGO!

You just checked every box on my card.

 

[98SVT - was 06GT]

Didn't a bunch of dealers get caught doing that with 308 Ferrari's in the 80's 

No crime in doing that but you do run the risk of buying your own car at an inflated price. The big stink in the 80s was the auctions were being used to launder money. Stick your car in the auction and have some front guy (usually with a foreign passport) buy it for big money with your own ill gotten cash. The frontman sells you your car back (taking his fee) and you get a clean check from the auction house.

[edd1e22]

Your post

I don't think it's illegal. The high end watch companies do this often to keep prices "correct"

[edd1e22]

Your post

That's not surprising. They had a sales rep bring out a green 68 bullit model to showcase. I was in their interest list and got to see one in person and test drive it. The car looks and sounds phenomenal but upon closer inspection, it was finished quite poorly.

The interior panels and trim didn't line up and screws were mis-spaced. A piece of the door trim was sticking out too far and left an impression mark against the dash. It almost looked like someone put it together in their garage.

Coincidentally, I also went to a cobra experience event in Martinez (Drew Serbs place). I met a guy with a Revology 1967 gt500. The guy had nothing good to say about their after sales customer service including allegations that there were material defects in the transmission design and assembly leading to the transmission to fail at under 10k miles. I don't remember all the details but they essentially ghosted him and he had to pay out of pocket to get it fixed.

After the above, it cemented my decision to steer clear of purchasing one.

[tesgt350]

There is a Green one (I think 67 GT500) in my area, came to a few Shows and Cars & Coffee's.  I wasn't impressed with it and neither were a lot of other people that checked it out.  They all said the same thing, "For what he paid, he got took".  They should have spent a LOT more time on Fit and Finish.  He did win a Trophy but I think it was because he kept telling everyone how much he paid for it trying to impress them.

[CharlesTurner]

I agree that I would rather have an original, and I do.  But for example, the continuing line of "Elanors" constantly outsell original cars at the auctions. What's that about? That defies logic.

My guess is they've become so regular at auctions for so long now that buyers likely have them as a checklist car for their collection.  Park an eleanor clone and a real '67 Shelby side by side at a big cars-n-coffee and watch which car gets the most attention...  I would place my bets on the eleanor.

[JD]

I agree that I would rather have an original, and I do.  But for example, the continuing line of "Elanors" constantly outsell original cars at the auctions. What's that about? That defies logic.

My guess is they've become so regular at auctions for so long now that buyers likely have them as a checklist car for their collection.  Park an eleanor clone and a real '67 Shelby side by side at a big cars-n-coffee and watch which car gets the most attention...  I would place my bets on the eleanor.

I agree, it's a bit unfortunate but true.  There seems the be the thought among many that new is more useable, more comfort and more power, brakes, bigger wheel/tires and features with the look ("improved") in some eyes.

[CharlesTurner]

It seems the part that maybe is overlooked is that what makes the older cars unique is how they ran/drove, even with all the little quirks.  That's the experience... to drive a car with engineering and feel from that time period.  I'm sure a lot of us daily drove cars like this, my first car was a '68 mustang that was a daily driver for several years.  I daily drove a '65 fastback for several years also.

There's certainly a place for these modern restomods, which is what they are.  The same car could have been created by a backyard builder with good fabrication skills... likely would consume that persons life, but possible.  We've all seen some very well done restomods done by the owners.

The part that seems odd to me, maybe someone can explain it better, has to do with CS licensing.  That's basically just this company licensing the 'Shelby' name and maybe 'GT500' to be put on the car?  There's a licensing certificate in the auction pics, signed by the CEO of SA that looks like something more than just a name licensing document.  It seems to suggest that the complete car is something that SA is endorsing, although surely that can't be?

I looked through all the pics in the auction, I see a lot of regular reproduction parts used and some improvements on original design.  Covering the rear panels in leather (I guess it's leather and not vinyl) is a nice touch.  It's obvious that most of the work was done with the undercarriage and drivetrain.  Have to wonder if they make much profit selling at the 300k+ price point.

[tesgt350]

It seems the part that maybe is overlooked is that what makes the older cars unique is how they ran/drove, even with all the little quirks.  That's the experience... to drive a car with engineering and feel from that time period.  I'm sure a lot of us daily drove cars like this, my first car was a '68 mustang that was a daily driver for several years.  I daily drove a '65 fastback for several years also.

There's certainly a place for these modern restomods, which is what they are.  The same car could have been created by a backyard builder with good fabrication skills... likely would consume that persons life, but possible.  We've all seen some very well done restomods done by the owners.

The part that seems odd to me, maybe someone can explain it better, has to do with CS licensing.  That's basically just this company licensing the 'Shelby' name and maybe 'GT500' to be put on the car?  There's a licensing certificate in the auction pics, signed by the CEO of SA that looks like something more than just a name licensing document.  It seems to suggest that the complete car is something that SA is endorsing, although surely that can't be?

I looked through all the pics in the auction, I see a lot of regular reproduction parts used and some improvements on original design.  Covering the rear panels in leather (I guess it's leather and not vinyl) is a nice touch.  It's obvious that most of the work was done with the undercarriage and drivetrain.  Have to wonder if they make much profit selling at the 300k+ price point.

I am creating a new Business called "BLACK HAT PERFORMANCE" and I plan to do just that, build a limited number of them.  How I will get around the Licensing issues of using the Shelby Name is simple, I will be converting real Shelby Mustangs which will be called "Black Hat Edition Shelby's" and each one will come with a Black Stetson Hat like Carroll used to wear.  All will be painted Black with Black Custom Interior and Matt Black Stripes.  Create Motor, big 4 Wheel Disc Brakes, Adjustable Suspension, Exhaust, Wheels/Tires, Roll Cage, etc.  and priced under $500K.

[98SVT - was 06GT]

My thoughts in bold

The part that seems odd to me, maybe someone can explain it better, has to do with CS licensing.  That's basically just this company licensing the 'Shelby' name and maybe 'GT500' to be put on the car?  There's a licensing certificate in the auction pics, signed by the CEO of SA that looks like something more than just a name licensing document.  It seems to suggest that the complete car is something that SA is endorsing, although surely that can't be?
In the distant lawsuit where CS sued Ford when they used GT350 on a Fox body he was reminded that Ford owned ALL of the SA trademarks (not his name). To settle it quickly and out of court (Ford didn't want to be seen as the bad guy) they allowed him free use of the Cobra name on 2 seat sports cars (his continuation cars). It is 100% just allowing the name Shelby to be used. There is no endorsement of the product or implied warranty by SA. If you buy a piece of junk it's between you and the builder/seller SA is not involved.

....I see a lot of regular reproduction parts used and some improvements on original design.  Covering the rear panels in leather (I guess it's leather and not vinyl) is a nice touch.  ....  Have to wonder if they make much profit selling at the 300k+ price point.
Add up the price of the parts - taking into account that they'll get a discount as a reseller or for the quantity they buy. As has been noted they are not well assembled or detailed. Assembly is probably a minimum wage job at the builders. These are "production" restomods. The quality 1 off restomods builds by good shops sell for big money due to the quality of the build. These lose money because people realize the quality is not there. In reality an original for $100,000 less is the better deal.