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Started by oldcanuck, January 15, 2020, 03:18:36 PM

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rmarble57

Yes #23 has an insulator behind the terminal block.
Thanks for the tip however.

BGlover67

Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 18, 2020, 09:10:57 AM
Just in case anyone wants to make their own terminal block the Mil - Spec part number is MS27212-X-N

Where X = Diameter of the studs (terminals) on the block.
Possibilities:
MS27212-1-N = 6/32 UNC-2A
MS27212-2-N = 10/32 UNF-2A
MS27212-3-N = 1/4 -28 UNF-2A
MS27212-4-N = 5/16 - 24 UNF-2A
MS27212-5-N = 3/8 - 24 UNF-2A
MS27212-6-N = 8/32 UNC-2A

Where N = Number of studs on the terminal block

From the photos it appears to be MS27212-4-N (5/16-24 stud size). You could use any dash number, the parts installed by Shelby American appear to be made only from the ends of a T-block. So regardless of the length of the T - block you would only get two usable parts that were like originals.

Wow Royce, that was impressive.  I was able to find one immediately on ebay.  Do you have any idea who manufactured the shoulder harness retractors on '67s?
Thanks,
Brian R. Glover
SAAC Carolina's Northern Representative

DGSOH

Quote from: BGlover67 on January 18, 2020, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 18, 2020, 09:10:57 AM
Just in case anyone wants to make their own terminal block the Mil - Spec part number is MS27212-X-N

Where X = Diameter of the studs (terminals) on the block.
Possibilities:
MS27212-1-N = 6/32 UNC-2A
MS27212-2-N = 10/32 UNF-2A
MS27212-3-N = 1/4 -28 UNF-2A
MS27212-4-N = 5/16 - 24 UNF-2A
MS27212-5-N = 3/8 - 24 UNF-2A
MS27212-6-N = 8/32 UNC-2A

Where N = Number of studs on the terminal block

From the photos it appears to be MS27212-4-N (5/16-24 stud size). You could use any dash number, the parts installed by Shelby American appear to be made only from the ends of a T-block. So regardless of the length of the T - block you would only get two usable parts that were like originals.

Wow Royce, that was impressive.  I was able to find one immediately on ebay.  Do you have any idea who manufactured the shoulder harness retractors on '67s?

+1

oldcanuck

Guys,

Is there anything particular with the second or later variant, that I need to be aware of when hooking mine back up ?


Thanks again,
Bob
Bob
Knoxvegas, TN

Royce Peterson

Might be able to figure it out if you have pictures, especially if they show any cartouche mark of the maker.


Quote from: BGlover67 on January 18, 2020, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 18, 2020, 09:10:57 AM
Just in case anyone wants to make their own terminal block the Mil - Spec part number is MS27212-X-N

Where X = Diameter of the studs (terminals) on the block.
Possibilities:
MS27212-1-N = 6/32 UNC-2A
MS27212-2-N = 10/32 UNF-2A
MS27212-3-N = 1/4 -28 UNF-2A
MS27212-4-N = 5/16 - 24 UNF-2A
MS27212-5-N = 3/8 - 24 UNF-2A
MS27212-6-N = 8/32 UNC-2A

Where N = Number of studs on the terminal block

From the photos it appears to be MS27212-4-N (5/16-24 stud size). You could use any dash number, the parts installed by Shelby American appear to be made only from the ends of a T-block. So regardless of the length of the T - block you would only get two usable parts that were like originals.

Wow Royce, that was impressive.  I was able to find one immediately on ebay.  Do you have any idea who manufactured the shoulder harness retractors on '67s?
1968 Cougar XR-7 GT-E 427 Side Oiler C6 3.50 Detroit Locker
1968 1/2 Cougar XR-7 428CJ Ram Air C6 3.91 Traction Lock

JD

Quote from: oldcanuck on January 19, 2020, 08:08:13 AM
Guys,

Is there anything particular with the second or later variant, that I need to be aware of when hooking mine back up ?

Thanks again,
Bob

Does the first illustration in reply #2 help?
'67 Shelby Headlight Bucket Grommets https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=254.0
'67 Shelby Lower Grille Edge Protective Strip https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.0

oldcanuck

Quote from: JD on January 19, 2020, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: oldcanuck on January 19, 2020, 08:08:13 AM
Guys,

Is there anything particular with the second or later variant, that I need to be aware of when hooking mine back up ?

Thanks again,
Bob

Does the first illustration in reply #2 help?


Yes ..... perfectly.
Bob
Knoxvegas, TN

csheff

Is there a certain type of insulator that was used? Anyone make them?

Royce Peterson

#23
It appears to be 1/32" phenolic sheet, as would have been the case if you could find the Mil - spec unit new in the box. You can buy phenolic sheet under various trade names like Garolite for example:
https://www.mcmaster.com/phenolic-sheets


Quote from: csheff on January 20, 2020, 08:05:23 AM
Is there a certain type of insulator that was used? Anyone make them?
1968 Cougar XR-7 GT-E 427 Side Oiler C6 3.50 Detroit Locker
1968 1/2 Cougar XR-7 428CJ Ram Air C6 3.91 Traction Lock

Bob Gaines

Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 20, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
It appears to be 1/32" phenolic sheet, as would have been the case if you could find the Mil - spec unit new in the box. You can buy phenolic sheet under various trade names like Garolite for example:
https://www.mcmaster.com/phenolic-sheets


Quote from: csheff on January 20, 2020, 08:05:23 AM
Is there a certain type of insulator that was used? Anyone make them?
The https://www.mcmaster.com/phenolic-sheets examples don't look like the insulator that Shelby used. It was more like a thin piece of circuit board looking material. At least that is what it looks like to me. 
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

Royce Peterson

Bob, circuit boards usually were / are made on phenolic / foil sheet. Phenolic runs in various hues depending on batch and grade. It tends to darken as it ages, much like bare wood.

There were cheap transistor radios with plastic circuit boards molded in every imaginable color. Those are not phenolic.

Another source of phenolic sheet is https://www.amazon.com/Online-Plastic-Supply-Phenolic-inches/dp/B081VR42MG/ref=sr_1_25?hvadid=78271487894049&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&keywords=phenolic+sheet&qid=1579623720&sr=8-25
There are many grades and colors of phenolic from creamy white to tan to brown to black.


Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2020, 06:30:54 PM
Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 20, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
It appears to be 1/32" phenolic sheet, as would have been the case if you could find the Mil - spec unit new in the box. You can buy phenolic sheet under various trade names like Garolite for example:
https://www.mcmaster.com/phenolic-sheets


Quote from: csheff on January 20, 2020, 08:05:23 AM
Is there a certain type of insulator that was used? Anyone make them?
The https://www.mcmaster.com/phenolic-sheets examples don't look like the insulator that Shelby used. It was more like a thin piece of circuit board looking material. At least that is what it looks like to me.
1968 Cougar XR-7 GT-E 427 Side Oiler C6 3.50 Detroit Locker
1968 1/2 Cougar XR-7 428CJ Ram Air C6 3.91 Traction Lock

Bob Gaines

Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 21, 2020, 11:25:01 AM
Bob, circuit boards usually were / are made on phenolic / foil sheet. Phenolic runs in various hues depending on batch and grade. It tends to darken as it ages, much like bare wood.

There were cheap transistor radios with plastic circuit boards molded in every imaginable color. Those are not phenolic.

Another source of phenolic sheet is https://www.amazon.com/Online-Plastic-Supply-Phenolic-inches/dp/B081VR42MG/ref=sr_1_25?hvadid=78271487894049&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&keywords=phenolic+sheet&qid=1579623720&sr=8-25
There are many grades and colors of phenolic from creamy white to tan to brown to black.


Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2020, 06:30:54 PM
Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 20, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
It appears to be 1/32" phenolic sheet, as would have been the case if you could find the Mil - spec unit new in the box. You can buy phenolic sheet under various trade names like Garolite for example:
https://www.mcmaster.com/phenolic-sheets


Quote from: csheff on January 20, 2020, 08:05:23 AM
Is there a certain type of insulator that was used? Anyone make them?
The https://www.mcmaster.com/phenolic-sheets examples don't look like the insulator that Shelby used. It was more like a thin piece of circuit board looking material. At least that is what it looks like to me.
Not disputing your definition just disputing the look. I used the circuit board comparison because that is what it closest reminds me of older transistor board material.  Not plastic ones. It does not look any of the many examples in the link that you posted which is the reason that compelled me to reply.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby