1960’s which came first on the drawing table? GT40 or Miura?

[Bigfoot]

Clearly if Ford won Le Mans in 66 then we would assume the GT40 wAs way before the Miura which began production in 66.
Indeed
And GT40's were raced in 65 if memory serves.
Which was on the drawing board first?

They look somewhat  alike......

[2112]

https://petrolicious.com/articles/this-lola-mk6-gt-prototype-made-the-first-ford-gt40-possible

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Miura

I would say Lola/Ford by a few years.

[Bigfoot]

Thank you.
This is a very good start.
Can anyone else chime in?

[98SVT - was 06GT]

It came to Ferruccio Lamborghini in 1960 when thinking of ways to update his Gulf Oil racing tractor

[shelbydoug]

According to the article about Allen Grant and the Lola GT, my timetable is off.

It was my understanding or maybe best recollection that the first GT40's to run were in the '64 season. They were developed out of the Lola which obviously was earlier? I thought '63-64 ish?

The Miura appears around the same time as a development car from Matra.


Does it really matter who came first?


The GT40 was always "controversial" to me to begin with. While it is true that it was the US teams that developed it into a winner, much of the work was done in England.

The international racing rules of what constitutes the determination of "origin" is kind of clouded with the GT40.

I'm not arguing against the car but every time I hear that the GT40 is the only "US" car ever to win at Lemans, I kind of wince. Then again I did get thrown, as in escorted out of the "Gulf" pits because I referred to it as a GT40 during the '68 race year so the car and I do have somewhat of a "checkered past" together and I just claim that "I'm a victim of circumstance" anyway? 

It is somewhat comforting now to me that the victories in '68 and '69 are now referred to as GT40 victories, not Gulf victories.


In talking about the prominence of a family name, the term "pedigree" often emerges. The literal meaning of the word indicates that you know the full story of the name and family relatives. If you search the pedigree of the GT40, the name England will arise more then once.


The Miura I suppose falls into a very similar category in examining the origins of it's pedigree?


There are other examples of this kind of a mixed family background in families as well. The Romanoffs and Windsors are related by blood.


Lesser industrial giants like Detomaso kept their Italian heritage (Alejandro was Argentine) and kept I suppose, "the Duce" from completely adopting the Pantera as his American icon?


I suppose like the Romanoffs and Windsors, a little mixing of blood is acceptable in the Royal circles?
Maybe it was the best thing for everyone, in retrospect, that Ferrari would have no part of it? That does appear to have had somewhat of a trickle down effect where it made it possible for peons like me to actually have been associated on occasion with some of the more ultimate vehicles ever produced?

Unfortunately, it never worked for me with super models though? Just as well?
That probably saved a fortune in divorce lawyers fees?  With cars, even a wreck, mostly they could be fixed in a body shop?

[98SVT - was 06GT]

I'm not arguing against the car but every time I hear that the GT40 is the only "US" car ever to win at Lemans, I kind of wince.

The 67 was entirely a US built car. The MKII upgrade was US design with the tubs built in England.

[Bigfoot]

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