Recent discussion on Morrison's 67 G.T. 500

[98SVT - was 06GT]

I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

If they spent the 5 minutes it would take to verify the info their entire show would go in the trashcan. There are far more people out there that eat up the rumors and mystique of all things Shelby and celebrity than actual Shelby owners/historians. These people are like low information voters they will take what is spoon fed them as gospel.
An interesting thing is the Z on the tag. Recent intel seems to indicate that this is a car that was finished after Ford took over Shelby American. The Blue Lady was sold before that - right?
What is in there about 939?

[shelbydoug]

Jim Croce sang ... YOU DONT SPIT INTO THE WIND, YOU DONT TUG ONTO SUPERMANS CAPE, AND YOU DONT MESS AROUND WITH JIM, all great words of advise for life, and vintage SHELBYS. Our in house Superman is SHELBY expert BRET-   Nuff said!

[68krrrr]

I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

If they spent the 5 minutes it would take to verify the info their entire show would go in the trashcan. There are far more people out there that eat up the rumors and mystique of all things Shelby and celebrity than actual Shelby owners/historians. These people are like low information voters they will take what is spoon fed them as gospel.
An interesting thing is the Z on the tag. Recent intel seems to indicate that this is a car that was finished after Ford took over Shelby American. The Blue Lady was sold before that - right?
What is in there about 939?

Forgot about the Z before serial # that would make it an outboard car also .

[Bob Gaines]

I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

If they spent the 5 minutes it would take to verify the info their entire show would go in the trashcan. There are far more people out there that eat up the rumors and mystique of all things Shelby and celebrity than actual Shelby owners/historians. These people are like low information voters they will take what is spoon fed them as gospel.
An interesting thing is the Z on the tag. Recent intel seems to indicate that this is a car that was finished after Ford took over Shelby American. The Blue Lady was sold before that - right?
What is in there about 939?

Forgot about the Z before serial # that would make it an outboard car also .

Z doesn't necessarily mean outboard lights although many outboard cars have a Z stamp.

[FL SAAC]

dice dueño desconocido porque el carro lla no existe

I added the el carro lla no existe

I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

If they spent the 5 minutes it would take to verify the info their entire show would go in the trashcan. There are far more people out there that eat up the rumors and mystique of all things Shelby and celebrity than actual Shelby owners/historians. These people are like low information voters they will take what is spoon fed them as gospel.
An interesting thing is the Z on the tag. Recent intel seems to indicate that this is a car that was finished after Ford took over Shelby American. The Blue Lady was sold before that - right?
What is in there about 939?

[Special Ed]

What about the wheels 939 is 10 spoke  and 1888 is hubcaps?

[acapulco350]

If 1888 was Jimmy's

for sure they would of found a empty baggy with coke residue in it and a bunch of used syringes with jimmy's dna on it when they had the interior out

[68stangcjfb]

This is a long shot but is it known if anyone has asked Alice Cooper about the car? Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper we're drinking buddies back in the day. And Alice Cooper, being a car guy himself may have some memories or insight on the Blue Lady. Heck, maybe it's sitting in his garage!😁

[BGlover67]

This is a long shot but is it known if anyone has asked Alice Cooper about the car? Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper we're drinking buddies back in the day. And Alice Cooper, being a car guy himself may have some memories or insight on the Blue Lady. Heck, maybe it's sitting in his garage!😁

Maybe Jim Morrison is living in Alice Cooper's house!

[557]

If 1888 was Jimmy's

for sure they would of found a empty baggy with coke residue in it and a bunch of used syringes with jimmy's dna on it when they had the interior out

.  For historical accuracy,Jimbo was more of a pathetic drunk/alcoholic type.........

[FL SAAC]

This is a long shot but is it known if anyone has asked Alice Cooper about the car? Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper we're drinking buddies back in the day. And Alice Cooper, being a car guy himself may have some memories or insight on the Blue Lady. Heck, maybe it's sitting in his garage!😁

Think they where married at one point,  had a child they called it "Ozzie"

[FL SAAC]

This just in car found on Disappointment Island....sorry to disappoint you.

The island is real, the car is NOT !

[Kansas]

 Rick Nuckolls is the current owner of Car 1888. Not all of his story was able to be told in the Auto-Biography Program. He asked me to respectfully share the following information to tell his side of the story.

I am a friend of the owner. I also briefly appeared in the Autobiography Program and am trying to help the owner document this car. We are still in this process. Old information is hard to get.

Rick Nuckolls is about as honest a fellow as they come. The producers of the program contacted him and asked to have his car in the program. We were all in hopes this might help the documented truth to come out. He has never said 1888 is Morrison's car, but has been told by 4 previous owners it is and the car has a lot of circumstantial physical evidence that it could have been based upon stories of damage to Morrison's car. When he bought 1888 in 2009, he was just looking for a Shelby GT500 that he could afford and bring back to life.

1888 came to Kansas under bill of sale had been stored in Attica KS for about 10 years in a building there with the idea the owner Larry Casperson would bring to back to life. He ended up selling the car by Bill of Sale to Ron Pinkston who has a body shop in Wichita who in turn sold the car on Bill of Sale with a   title from NM from Richard Kreischer of NM to Rick Nuckolls.

Car 1888 is listed in the registry and by Kevin Marti and yes it does have a Ford VIN too as was asked by someone on this forum. All Nuckolls has asked from the beginning was the truth and documented proof that 1888 is or isn't the car and that 939 is as many claim.  Instead of being helpful the registry and Brett Mattison have been rather rude and dismissive to Nuckolls as to documentation and told him, Its not the car. He would be grateful to get such documented proof and to put the matter to rest. He is in the middle of 4 past owners who say it is and the SAAC Registry and others who say it's not. Wouldn't you want documented proof one way or the other if it was yours, just to know for sure?

Part 2
How the Morrison 1888 potential connection came about. The New Mexico Connection.
1)   The car in basket case condition was delivered to Nuckolls with a half parchment and half black interior. When questioning the delivery person they about this advised it use to be a rock stars car. He advised, "The Doors" Morrison when questioned by Nuckolls.

2)   Nuckolls contacted Brett Mattison about this claim after reading an article he had authored.
He called late at night leaving a voice mail. Brett called him back in just a few minutes saying
to him at least 2 times times; "You bought car 1888?"  "From Ron Pinkston? Brett advised
Nuckolls that he was supposed to be buying that car from Pinkston. Nuckolls claims he ask him 3 times to sell the car to him during the conversation. Nuckolls declined having just purchased
his dream car.

3)   An article came out in Mustang Monthly about Morrison's GT500 mentioning car 1888 which was at All Angles Collision Center in Wichita, KS. According to former All Angles owner Bart Brown, Mattison called him wanting details on the car and wanted to come to Kansas and see it. Brown advised that he declined to give him the locations but did answer some questions.

4)   In contacting past owners Nuckolls reached Gary Spear of Albuquerque, NM who had sold 1888 to Ron Pinkston in about 1997. Gary is a car dealer and devoted Ford man. He advises his wife use to work at Richardson Ford in Albuquerque and confirmed through his research with Richardson Ford that 1888 it was Morrison's. Spear interviewed former Richardson Ford General Manager Larry Poole who remembered the car. He verified through micro-fish that the car had been sold to Morrison he told Speer. No copy was ever made. The fish no longer exist.

5)   Nuckolls ask Gary Spear why Electra Records would purchase a GT500 from Richardson Ford in Albuquerque, NM, Spear relied " Ill tell you why" "Morrisons' lived in Albuquerque when Jim was young and after the Light My Fire Album was out Jim would visit Albuquerque seeing his sister and friends and had been seen admiring car 1888 in the showroom at Richardson Ford.

6)   Spear purchased the car from Richard Kreischer, a friend of Spears, also of the Albuquerque area. He owned 1888 from 1987 to 1997. They both bought and sold Ford cars in the Southwest. When Nuckolls contacted Kreischer by phone he told him, "I have been waiting for this call for 25 years. He told Nuckolls unprompted, "You know your car has prominence." "Nuckolls said I've heard that tell me what you know." He then advised that Nuckolls car had been Morrison's. Nuckolls asked both about the interior color question and they advised it had been changed out at the dealership.

7)   While Tony Funchess told reporters and Bart Brown, formerly of All Angles collision center in Wichita that Morrison's car had been wrecked and then crushed, ads in the LA times in Oct 3, 1971 indicate a 67 Shelby GT500 for sale bearing CA auto tag VRD 389, Morrison's tag. The ad stated the car had been stored a while. The staff of Autobiography traced the phone numbers to Ray Wolfe, formerly General manager of Carol Shelby's Hi-Performance Motors, Inc.

Part 3
Physical Condition Report Prior to restoration.

1)   When car 1888 was disassembled for restoration the following damage had been noted:
a.   The car had been hit hard on the right side behind the RH door.
b.   The RH inner wheel well had been pounded out and reused.
c.   The RH quarter panel and rear light panel had been replaced with genuine Ford
replacement parts from the day and had been braised on, a common technique.
in the late 60's.
d.   The car had apparently been jumped hard as the rear bump stops had pushed up the rear floor pan ,the torque boxes were badly damaged and the right one pulled apart and welded back together again.
e.   The roll bar behind the front seats was bent.
The above damage would be consistent with damage sustained by Morrison's car when it hit a light pole and his know habit of jumping the car according to Bret Brown an insurance accident reconstruction expert of Wichita, KS and former owner of All Angles Collision center.

2)   When the car was put on a rotisserie, 6- 357 bullets came out of the defroster vents. Bart Brown
of Wichita talked to Morrison body guard Tony Funchess who confirmed he carried a 357, but Morrison did not.

3)   When the radio was removed from the car it contained with fined desert sand such as in the Joshua Tree desert. I personally disassembled the radio and cleaned this fine sand out. afterwards the radio did work fine and was re-installed.

While the above is circumstantial it is interesting that circumstances surrounding Morrison's car, match damage that was found to car 1888.

According to Kevin Marti Car 1888:
Competed by Shelby American 05/16/1967
Date Order Received: 05/31/1967
Shelby American Invoice Date: 06/01/1967

In summation, Nuckolls has never said his car is Morrison's, but with the narration presented to him by past owners and the damage to 1888 consistent with what is said to have happened to Morrison's he would like to see documentation to prove it's not and to finally put the matter to rest. If the unredacted CA registration card owned by Bret Mattison were presented with the true VIN number or other documents with Morrison's name on it, the matter could be put to rest.

The Producers of Auto Biography advised us on 9/3/2020 they talked to Brett who advised them Morrison's Car was 939. They asked him to send an unredacted copy of the Morrison CA Registration card showing the VIN number which they claim he agreed to but never did.  Then he quit returning their calls.

Frankly, we all know if car 939 is truly Morrison's we would already know the Shelby VIN number so why hide the VIN on the registration card? What's the big secret?

Respectfully,
Kansas

[Coralsnake]

If a copy of the original owners card were posted without the redaction are you and the owner going to publicly apologize and retract your statements?

Are you and the owner of 1888 going to acknowledge Brett's foresight for securing the document?

Are you going to stop spreading the maybe/could-be story?

Even if I had not seen the original document, the interior is telling to me. 1888 was produced with a black interior. No ambiguity there. Deal breaker, not it.

[683760]

I wonder if all this is leading up to a April Fools in the making