65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.

[QuickSilverShelby]

Thanks for the update.  eBay experiences on both sides can be very challenging.  I've heard lots of stories, and many are quite difficult to believe.

Thanks Troy.  I don't know what to make of all of this.

QSS

[vtgt500]

Living in a depressed, rural area, am easily dumbstruck at the money thrown at this hobby.  Like many here, I grew up seeing Boss Mustangs and Shelbys languishing to sell for $2000-$3000.   Early, fastback and K type Mustangs with typical rust were always parted out and crushed.  In '77 my essentially, rust free '68 GT500 sat beside the road for 6 months with a $3000 asking price.  I was chastised by nearly everyone as a fool.   Now, my head spins at monies exchanged.  I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Now with the availability of the very well assembled R3 body for about $18K, there is a lot of room between $70K to build what you want.  Again, I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/ACd5mhTLusU

[QuickSilverShelby]

I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Not really a status symbol that I'm looking for.  After all, I have a red 68 GT500 convertible.  If I need exude my obviously superior taste in cars, I just take that car out for a drive and I get all the attention that one could ever ask for

I've been around the Shelby hobby long enough that I know my way around.  I don't think this car harbors some sophisticated performance ability.  If I wanted that I would buy a late model ready to race track car (2018 GT350R, Porsche GT3).  Besides, you know what they say "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow".

I am looking for a raw and visceral type of experience with my next car.  When I take my 68 GT500 out on the road, it's for a cruise and very little spirited driving. I don't want to take it to the track and chuck that big block around technical corners and besides, it's a convertible.   

I definitely don't have the skill to facilitate a build.  In my neck of the woods it would take me years to figure out who is good and who to steer clear from when trying to determine the appropriate people to build me a nice street legal racer.  I may further investigate the possibility of a new build.  As you said, I will get exactly what I desire.

So here I am, searching for a car that is ready to go and this car checks off many box's.  I agree, $70k for this car "may" be too much but the Ford GT's that I have been looking at are quadruple the price so it's all relevant I suppose.

This car looks interesting except I'm not too wild about the color and the price appears more in line with what I feel like paying.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-Gt350R-Tribute/222931118783?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

But hey, if anyone out there is willing to sell me a real 65R for a couple hundred thousand dollars, I am more than willing and able to step up to the plate

QSS

[Bob Gaines]

Living in a depressed, rural area, am easily dumbstruck at the money thrown at this hobby.  Like many here, I grew up seeing Boss Mustangs and Shelbys languishing to sell for $2000-$3000.   Early, fastback and K type Mustangs with typical rust were always parted out and crushed.  In '77 my essentially, rust free '68 GT500 sat beside the road for 6 months with a $3000 asking price.  I was chastised by nearly everyone as a fool.   Now, my head spins at monies exchanged.  I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Now with the availability of the very well assembled R3 body for about $18K, there is a lot of room between $70K to build what you want.  Again, I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/ACd5mhTLusU

If you think that you are going to take a unpainted 18K shell then take it through the typical nice shell bodywork,paint and a running tribute car buildup with the bells and whistles and not be much closer to the 70 K number then you being overly optimistic IMO.Been there done that. The time factor of getting a car from shell to finish is what you are paying for also. Some people do not have or want to take a year out of their life to devote to ground up build themselves. Some don't have the time or want to wait a year to write the check for someone else to do it ether. There is something to be said for the learning curve of what to do and not to do and its associated costs.Just some food for thought.

[Shelby_r_b]

Living in a depressed, rural area, am easily dumbstruck at the money thrown at this hobby.  Like many here, I grew up seeing Boss Mustangs and Shelbys languishing to sell for $2000-$3000.   Early, fastback and K type Mustangs with typical rust were always parted out and crushed.  In '77 my essentially, rust free '68 GT500 sat beside the road for 6 months with a $3000 asking price.  I was chastised by nearly everyone as a fool.   Now, my head spins at monies exchanged.  I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Now with the availability of the very well assembled R3 body for about $18K, there is a lot of room between $70K to build what you want.  Again, I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/ACd5mhTLusU

If you think that you are going to take a unpainted 18K shell then take it through the typical nice shell bodywork,paint and a running tribute car buildup with the bells and whistles and not be much closer to the 70 K number then you being overly optimistic IMO.Been there done that. The time factor of getting a car from shell to finish is what you are paying for also. Some people do not have or want to take a year out of their life to devote to ground up build themselves. Some don't have the time or want to wait a year to write the check for someone else to do it ether. There is something to be said for the learning curve of what to do and not to do and its associated costs.Just some food for thought.

++1

I'm having an R model restomod custom built, and everything Bob has said matches my experience.

I will say, there is NOTHING like creating the car from scratch and making it your own.  Believe me - it's worth it. 

That said, it can be pricey, and $70K would barely cover 2/3rds of the costs IMO.  I'm guessing that the car that's for sale at $70K+ probably cost around $100K to build - just my guess.  Of course, it also depends on how far you want to take the build.  I could have had a lot less money into mine, if I didn't want an all aluminum engine (the cam is the only thing not aluminum from the top of the engine to the rear end), dry sump, coil overs all around, etc., etc.

And, building a car like this isn't about bragging rights.  To me, it's about building something for yourself that you personally enjoy.  To your point - I can probably get more head turns with my real Shelby versus the restomod. 

Just some more thoughts...

[QuickSilverShelby]

Living in a depressed, rural area, am easily dumbstruck at the money thrown at this hobby.  Like many here, I grew up seeing Boss Mustangs and Shelbys languishing to sell for $2000-$3000.   Early, fastback and K type Mustangs with typical rust were always parted out and crushed.  In '77 my essentially, rust free '68 GT500 sat beside the road for 6 months with a $3000 asking price.  I was chastised by nearly everyone as a fool.   Now, my head spins at monies exchanged.  I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Now with the availability of the very well assembled R3 body for about $18K, there is a lot of room between $70K to build what you want.  Again, I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/ACd5mhTLusU

If you think that you are going to take a unpainted 18K shell then take it through the typical nice shell bodywork,paint and a running tribute car buildup with the bells and whistles and not be much closer to the 70 K number then you being overly optimistic IMO.Been there done that. The time factor of getting a car from shell to finish is what you are paying for also. Some people do not have or want to take a year out of their life to devote to ground up build themselves. Some don't have the time or want to wait a year to write the check for someone else to do it ether. There is something to be said for the learning curve of what to do and not to do and its associated costs.Just some food for thought.

Bob, you have clarified my exact thoughts on this car.  The "time factor........., learning curve.......... and it's associated costs"  of building my own car are exactly what I'm trying to avoid. 

QSS

[vtgt500]

Thanks for the enlightening feedback.  You have help me reach an epiphany that I'm much older than I feel and act.  I had always equated buying an assembled, modified car akin to bragging about dating an escort.  Guess at $70/hr labor rates and associated expenses, the cost to build such a car would add up quickly.  I hesitate to think what I could have invoiced my time for spent in the garage and researching product.  Perhaps the convincing insult to my outdated perspective appeared in my email this morning.

http://www.fordnxt.com/news/ford-pumps-up-the-sound-of-all-2019-mustangs-with-active-exhaust/

Time to mothball the old iron and embrace a Rascal scooter, with faux exhaust.

[66S285]

all personal preference.  that is why so many cars exist from unrestored to new.  If you want fast go with new car.  much faster and more reliable.

[QuickSilverShelby]

Another 65R replica came up on ebay which interests me.  It's a long way from me and I would need to have it inspected but I can arrange that.  The only thing that concerns me is one line in the sellers description which reads:

"Sold with a Georgia registration and Bill of Sale, Georgia does not title cars of this vintage."

Is that true?   Georgia does not title cars of this vintage?  If that's true, can you register this car in another state? 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-R/192557692869?hash=item2cd55537c5:g:oe8AAOSw1m5bE8M0&vxp=mtr

What do you all think?

QSS

[KR Convertible]

It is probably similar to a NY transferable registration.  It made me nervous as hell!  Took it to my PA notary and it was no problem.  Received a PA title a few weeks later.  WHEW!!!

[TOBKOB]

The state of Georgia will definitely title vintage cars even though it is not required on car model 1985 or older. The following is from the official GA web site:

Titles Optional
You can title a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if:

You have a title issued in your name;
The owner on the front of the title has assigned the title to you;
The owner on the front of the title has assigned the title to a dealer and the dealer has assigned the title to you.
You cannot title a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if:

The vehicle has been registered in someone else's name(s) other than the owner(s) shown on the face of the Georgia title

TOB

[6s1139]

guessing you have seen this one - https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/shelby/gt350/1926584.html

I noticed it for sale when I bought my 65 clone in Feb 2017 - they were asking much more back then, at 45k I like it and would have taken it over mine (I like the more track focus)

[QuickSilverShelby]

guessing you have seen this one - https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/shelby/gt350/1926584.html

I noticed it for sale when I bought my 65 clone in Feb 2017 - they were asking much more back then, at 45k I like it and would have taken it over mine (I like the more track focus)

I did see that car a while back but for some reason I thought it sold.  I didn't like the Orange/Blue colors at first but I've warmed up to them.  Thanks for posting the link.

QSS

[2112]

The orange car was on BaT several months ago. I think that might be the one where the seller got a bit agitated.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ford-mustang-fastback-11/

[shelbydoug]

Presuming that you already own a fastback that is usable, it's gonna' cost you around 50 to build one of these things and sort it out.

I think that IF the one for 70 is ready to roll, that's a fair price.

Building it yourself and taking a year or more off to build the thing is about right. How much is a year's worth of pay, salary and time worth to you? Will you be sure that you got everything right?