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67 GT350 engine paper label

Started by Bob Gaines, February 05, 2021, 04:43:23 PM

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Bob Gaines

Does anyone have a picture showing a original the engine paper label glued to the coil? The picture of #0050 is taken at the wrong angle so it can be seen in that one. Original only and not repro . I have a strong suspicion that the current repro that everyone uses for the 67 GT350 is wrong in printed content.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

67411F--0100-ENG.

Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 05, 2021, 04:43:23 PM
Does anyone have a picture showing a original the engine paper label glued to the coil? The picture of #0050 is taken at the wrong angle so it can be seen in that one. Original only and not repro . I have a strong suspicion that the current repro that everyone uses for the 67 GT350 is wrong in printed content.

Hello Bob,

I have another photo of 0050's engine bay taken from a different angle.  I have attached a cropped down portion of that photo that shows the coil and engine label.  Not sure if it includes everything that you are looking for.

Thanks,
Eric

Bob Gaines

Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on February 05, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 05, 2021, 04:43:23 PM
Does anyone have a picture showing a original the engine paper label glued to the coil? The picture of #0050 is taken at the wrong angle so it can be seen in that one. Original only and not repro . I have a strong suspicion that the current repro that everyone uses for the 67 GT350 is wrong in printed content.

Hello Bob,

I have another photo of 0050's engine bay taken from a different angle.  I have attached a cropped down portion of that photo that shows the coil and engine label.  Not sure if it includes everything that you are looking for.

Thanks,
Eric
Yes it does. Thank you.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

Bob Gaines

#3
The 245A on the 67 GT350 MT engine in the vintage photo of #0050 is different then the 245K repro label currently available ECS listed for 67 hipo MT.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

J_Speegle

Identified as from Travel & Traffic magazine Jan 1967.




From a non-Shelby standpoint the location of attachment changed during the production year
Jeff Speegle- Mustang & Shelby detail collector, ConcoursMustang.com mentor :) and Judge

J_Speegle

#5
To add to the discussion. No wonder there can be confusion. e may also want to look at the aluminum tags also here or another thread

From the add/delete sheets I looked at

E-245-A - Listed as 289 4V HP with 4 speed no AC (Grp # 2571)
E-245-? - Rest is not viewable  (Grp # 2572)
   246-A01 - Listed as 289 4V HP with auto and no EECS (#Grp 2574)
E-245-B - Listed as 289 4V HP with 4 speed EECS engine (Grp #2596)
E-246-A - Listed as 289 4V HP with 4 speed EECS engine (Grp #2613)

Kevin Marti included in his Tagbook that he had Ford documents showing the following. The date of the information is not available at this time.

289 4V HP  with 4 speed         245-A01
289 4V HP  with automatic      246-A01

Was there a change in identification codes during the production year?
Guess there is a possibility

At least the Ford documentation does not agree with each other for some reason
Jeff Speegle- Mustang & Shelby detail collector, ConcoursMustang.com mentor :) and Judge

DGSOH

Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on February 05, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
Hello Bob,

I have another photo of 0050's engine bay taken from a different angle.  I have attached a cropped down portion of that photo that shows the coil and engine label.  Not sure if it includes everything that you are looking for.

Thanks,
Eric
Sorry, off topic but the bypass hose and clamp appear to be unpainted in the photo. I thought they were painted?

shelbydoug

Is there a character preceding the 245? One of the reproduction labels is showing the assembly plant code.

I'm not seeing any hint of that on either the 500 or 350 labels?
68 GT350 Lives Matter!

Bob Gaines

Quote from: DGSOH on February 06, 2021, 04:29:30 AM
Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on February 05, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
Hello Bob,

I have another photo of 0050's engine bay taken from a different angle.  I have attached a cropped down portion of that photo that shows the coil and engine label.  Not sure if it includes everything that you are looking for.

Thanks,
Eric
Sorry, off topic but the bypass hose and clamp appear to be unpainted in the photo. I thought they were painted?
They are and it is although thin to me from the photo.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

JD

#9
just playing around, so if these were on a 1 inch tall roll they might look something like this??

(Will post on the BB thread of the similar topic too)
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Bob Gaines

Quote from: JD on February 06, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
just playing around, so if these were on a 1 inch tall roll they might look something like this??

(Will post on the BB thread of the similar topic too)
Based on the vintage photos the "01" appears to be eliminated.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

Bob Gaines

#11
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 06, 2021, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: JD on February 06, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
just playing around, so if these were on a 1 inch tall roll they might look something like this??

(Will post on the BB thread of the similar topic too)
Based on the vintage photos the "01" appears to be eliminated.
and missing a letter character after the 245/246. with no space in between as in 245A .
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

shelbydoug

#12
Quote from: JD on February 06, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
just playing around, so if these were on a 1 inch tall roll they might look something like this??

(Will post on the BB thread of the similar topic too)

The Label on -00100 appears to be Micro gamma Condensed. We can't see the 405 but there is what appears to be the tip of the 5 and the A is not spaced from it.

The A appears to be double spaced to the 01, so the 350 labels and 500 labels are not exactly the same layout.


I vote is was some type of an instant label maker rather then a roll of preprinted labels.
68 GT350 Lives Matter!

J_Speegle

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 06, 2021, 10:27:28 AM
The A appears to be double spaced to the 01, so the 350 labels and 500 labels are not exactly the same layout.

Possibly not the same since these were built and labeled at different location. Suppliers of the labels may have been different companies

Still believe in the roll. It matches some other sticker applications and makes shipping and carrying multiples easier
Jeff Speegle- Mustang & Shelby detail collector, ConcoursMustang.com mentor :) and Judge

J_Speegle

Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 06, 2021, 09:11:32 AM
Quote from: DGSOH on February 06, 2021, 04:29:30 AM
Sorry, off topic but the bypass hose and clamp appear to be unpainted in the photo. I thought they were painted?
They are and it is although thin to me from the photo.


Look painted to me when comparing the finish to the face of the water pump in the lower right
Jeff Speegle- Mustang & Shelby detail collector, ConcoursMustang.com mentor :) and Judge