When we’re the VINs added to the Engine and Trans for 69s?

[Coralsnake]

Of course, I had completely forgotten about 1954 Studebakers...

..and Facebook

[cboss70]

I have an April built 69 and if I remember correctly the date codes seemed correct but there was no VIN stamping on the engine - matching the Shelby # or otherwise. The previous owner believed it may have not been stamped in error.  I know I've seen earlier original cars with extra VIN's, No VIN's and, mixed VIN's. I've seen 69/70 cars with partial VIN's on shock towers (maybe plant code and sequential number). However, it sounds like from these posts that its unlikely a 69/70 Shelby or Mustang got out the door without the VIN on the engine?  If that's the case I'll have to try and get to it again and relook but I'm pretty sure there's nothing at all.  Great topic, thanks.

[Coralsnake]

Things have to be taken in totality, the history of the car, the casting dates and the stampings.

I believe the original post is specifically about stamping VINs on engines.

These numbers were supposed to be hidden.

Most times when people say they are missing, they are looking in the wrong places or the stampings are not cleaned off properly. The stampings can easily be painted over or covered by corrosion . Some have other agendas.

Some are seeking a loose interpretation so they claim matching numbers. It is really not that big of a factor for most people.

[Bob Gaines]

Things have to be taken in totality, the history of the car, the casting dates and the stampings.

I believe the original post is specifically about stamping VINs on engines.

These numbers were supposed to be hidden.

Most times when people say they are missing, they are looking in the wrong places or the stampings are not cleaned off properly. The stampings can easily be painted over or covered by corrosion . Some have other agendas.

Some are seeking a loose interpretation so they claim matching numbers. It is really not that big of a factor for most people.

+1 .Well said.

[98SVT - was 06GT]

At least San Jose started Job 1 for 68 production for all engine and transmission combinations. Guess to get a head start on the 1/1/68 requirement.  Sure no one at the plants wanted to get hit with penalties and such

Guess the current DOT site could be in error or its a misprint. Likely no one there now that was around back then   Kind of like when Ford put out that they didn't stamp all engines and transmissions except for high performance engines in one of their brochures a few years back.

Read took effect January 1, 1969 for yourself - Section II Paragraph I. Yes nobody is still there from the time but all their paperwork is. Before the law was written all the manufacturers would have been given an opportunity to comment and get a a head start on the future.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/fmvss/VIN_Final_Rule_April_08.pdf

[Bob Gaines]

At least San Jose started Job 1 for 68 production for all engine and transmission combinations. Guess to get a head start on the 1/1/68 requirement.  Sure no one at the plants wanted to get hit with penalties and such

Guess the current DOT site could be in error or its a misprint. Likely no one there now that was around back then   Kind of like when Ford put out that they didn't stamp all engines and transmissions except for high performance engines in one of their brochures a few years back.

Read took effect January 1, 1969 for yourself - Section II Paragraph I. Yes nobody is still there from the time but all their paperwork is. Before the law was written all the manufacturers would have been given an opportunity to comment and get a a head start on the future.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/fmvss/VIN_Final_Rule_April_08.pdf

Given the back and forth I decided to googled the subject.  From the Federal Register , Daily Journal of the United States Government .https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2008/04/30/08-1197/vehicle-identification-number-requirements   . It appears to be a DOT document which it is reasonable to assume carries credibility.  . If you scroll down to  A. History and Overview of the VIN System in regard to VIN info it states what took effect January 1 of 1969 was - That standard required each passenger car to have a VIN that is permanently "sunk or embossed" on a part of the vehicle visible through the glazing by a person standing at the left windshield pillar. Although VIN related this Jan 1 of 1969 mandate does not appear to apply to subject of the thread which is when the VIN was added to the engine and trans.

[Coralsnake]

I think we might also add a requirement does not preclude Ford from doing it voluntarily.

So far I havent seen any "evidence" they were not stamped in accordance with production manuals.

[J_Speegle]

Read took effect January 1, 1969 for yourself - Section II Paragraph I. Yes nobody is still there from the time but all their paperwork is. Before the law was written all the manufacturers would have been given an opportunity to comment and get a a head start on the future.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/fmvss/VIN_Final_Rule_April_08.pdf

Believe we are "talking" past each other and not about the same thing My references and focus was towards the stamping of engine and transmissions

[shlb69]

So where should the vin be on a early 69 gt350 engine

[Royce Peterson]

It should be here:

http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-280221162833.jpeg

So where should the vin be on a early 69 gt350 engine

[69 GT350 Vert]

My December 1968 completed shelby has the last 5 digits of the vin on the rear of block, and on top of fmx transmission. 

[Coralsnake]

Rear face of block as installed, just below left cylinder head on 351.

[Coralsnake]

...right where the Ford book says

[Coralsnake]

Back to the original poster...

If you have matching date codes that is not the same as "matching numbers"

Big difference. Please let Facebook know that

[shelbymann1970]

Not all factory VIN's were stamped on the block in 1969, some had them had partial, rough, hand stamped VIN's into the back of the drivers side head.


Bill

you mean like this?