Original Engine vs. Non Original Engine effecting values?

[1175]

Intended and as built seems to be an ongoing argument regarding 67's.

Jon

[shelbyhertz66]

Hopefully the 67 registrar will chime in as I believe he has the
facts about why some of the 67 350's were not vin  stamped.

[capecodmustang.com]

Actually at one time I understood there was a problem with engine cams on the assembly line and they just replaced the entire block at the time.

I've had maybe fifty 67 GT 350's and I can almost tell if there's a VIN on the engine by just looking at the Shelby number.

However, I always go back to Dave. M.

Just my .02......

Bret

[Tired Sheep]

The difference in value is probably factored in the price already. You will pay a premium above that for matching numbers. 20% maybe

Judges dont look at casting numbers or date codes unless you are in the most elite class and that number of cars is so small its ridiculous . 99% of concours cars are never docked for date codes.

[shelbydoug]

I think of it as being more desirable. That would come into play when there is a choice between purchases but you'd need to decide if it is worth the extra money.

[J_Speegle]

I think of it as being more desirable. That would come into play when there is a choice between purchases but you'd need to decide if it is worth the extra money.

Or in some cases for some buyers eliminate a car all together from consideration. Just depends on the buyer

[68krrrr]

So why weren't 67 GT500 blocks ever stamped with a vin# like most of the Gt350's where,seems odd didn't they all come down the same assembly line?

[J_Speegle]

So why weren't 67 GT500 blocks ever stamped with a vin# like most of the Gt350's where,seems odd didn't they all come down the same assembly line?

Both were installed on the San Jose and that is where (in the subassembly area for engines and transmissions) VINs were stamped.

Haven't seen anything from Ford in print stating why FE's were not stamped that year on that line

[shelbydoug]

'67s just prove time and time again how unique they are to the entire Shelby line.

SJ could stamp the transmission but not the block.

This might just be how being located in California, Ford complied with requirements...or didn't...because, "oh wow man, this sucks!" ?

Feds? Who cares about Feds?

Not only the stamping thing but on the 500 you have a non-functional PCV because of the connection to the air cleaner.

Is that a US Federal regulation or a California one? Did the people in charge have just a house cleaning or quick food service background? "You want 'fries with that?"

The entire thing qualifies as bizarre.

[Harris Speedster]

In my 5 decades of playing with Shelbys and Cobra's, but not limited to as such;
basic deduct is around 25 -30 % right off the top.
many of my old clients/customers, walked when it was not a number matching car.
We get anal in our thoughts of date codes, repop parts etc.
But the heart, is the engine.
Respectfully
John

[shelbydoug]

In my 5 decades of playing with Shelbys and Cobra's, but not limited to as such;
basic deduct is around 25 -30 % right off the top.
many of my old clients/customers, walked when it was not a number matching car.
We get anal in our thoughts of date codes, repop parts etc.
But the heart, is the engine.
Respectfully
John

Sure but 25 to 30 % off of what?

[6T6/7]

Just tossing this out there...But, thought I'd heard the theory that k-code blocks were intended to be VIN stamped due to their limited warranty and maybe used, if needed for tracking/traceability, etc. purposes?

[J_Speegle]

Just tossing this out there...But, thought I'd heard the theory that k-code blocks were intended to be VIN stamped due to their limited warranty and maybe used, if needed for tracking/traceability, etc. purposes?

Stampings of VIN's also (possibly the initial intent) was done to hopefully reduce thief and made the engines and transmissions easier to track in those cases. That is why high performance transmissions were done before engines started to be done or both (low and high performance) were required to have them by the Fed. That effort was directly associated with thief in mind based on the documentation I have as well as people in the business at the time period

[Side-Oilers]

Just tossing this out there...But, thought I'd heard the theory that k-code blocks were intended to be VIN stamped due to their limited warranty and maybe used, if needed for tracking/traceability, etc. purposes?

Stampings of VIN's also (possibly the initial intent) was done to hopefully reduce thief and made the engines and transmissions easier to track in those cases. That is why high performance transmissions were done before engines started to be done or both (low and high performance) were required to have them by the Fed. That effort was directly associated with thief in mind based on the documentation I have as well as people in the business at the time period

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[oldcanuck]

So if appx. 20% is a deduction for non-original engine, what about a transmission ?   Either by itself or combined with a wrong engine ?