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Early 67 Front Nose Reinforcement Bolt Type

Started by mtdubvee, May 17, 2022, 01:31:47 PM

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mtdubvee

Does anyone know what type of bolts were used on an early 67 front nose? I'm referring to the bolts that go down through the nose into the reinforcement. Two on each side.

Thanks
Matt
SFM 5S123

SFM 5S269

1967 GT350 #41 Raven Black 4 Speed

Bob Gaines

Quote from: mtdubvee on May 17, 2022, 01:31:47 PM
Does anyone know what type of bolts were used on an early 67 front nose? I'm referring to the bolts that go down through the nose into the reinforcement. Two on each side.

Thanks
Matt
If I am understanding the ones you are referring to they are not nuts. I have seen 4 and also 3 .  I think you are referring to the countersunk slotted machine screw which was used on very early cars . The counter sunk slotted machine screws are used in conjunction with a rubber grommet and a countersunk metal beauty ring. It is typically secured on the backside with a flat washer and a nylok locking nut.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

mtdubvee

The car is in the 300s

Picture attached of the bolts.
SFM 5S123

SFM 5S269

1967 GT350 #41 Raven Black 4 Speed

Bob Gaines

#3
Quote from: mtdubvee on May 17, 2022, 02:11:36 PM
The car is in the 300s

Picture attached of the bolts.
Those are a past owner replacement. The SA factory ones are as I described. They can be found pretty readily at most full line hardware stores or ones that have the Yellow Serivlite Box's.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

mtdubvee

SFM 5S123

SFM 5S269

1967 GT350 #41 Raven Black 4 Speed

Bob Gaines

Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

rmarble57

Bob,  Do you think those Machine Screws are 10-24 or 5/16th?

JD

'67 Shelby Headlight Bucket Grommets https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=254.0
'67 Shelby Lower Grille Edge Protective Strip https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.0

roddster

#8
  The official name would be "finish washer".    1/4 X 20 threads on the bolts.  Slotted pan head See below for the correction.  The "pad" is mostly hidden under the washer.
  On early cars the location often varies; if you have the original support bar, look up from the bottom to see where the employee (that day) at Shelby American drilled the holes.   

Bob Gaines

Quote from: roddster on May 18, 2022, 11:58:04 AM
  The official name would be "finish washer".    1/4 X 20 theads on the bolts.  Slotted pan head. The "pad" is mostly hidden under the washer.
  On early cars the location often varies,; if you have the original support bar, look up from the bottom to see where the employee (that day) at Shelby American drilled the holes.
Probably just a typo on your part but so there is no confusion it is NOT a pan head fastener . It is a countersunk slotted head . If it were a pan head it would not seat properly in the ring and there would be no need for the countersunk beauty ring/finish washer. ;)   . Also for clarification the "pad " you mention is the rubber grommet in the fiberglass hole that the the beauty/finish washer sits on.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

JD

#10
Here are the items  in the image above ID'd.  The chrome trim ring is turned upside down showing rust on the underside, the one on the right is still installed but painted, should not be painted.

(oval slotted would work well, easy to find and available chromed to match the trim ring)
'67 Shelby Headlight Bucket Grommets https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=254.0
'67 Shelby Lower Grille Edge Protective Strip https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.0

roddster

  Thanks Bob, I corrected that.

   Thanks JD for the illustration.

 

Carl111

Hello everyone, does anybody have info about the type and placement of these on later 67 cars (#3081)?
Thank you.

Bob Gaines

Quote from: Carl111 on August 22, 2022, 06:48:14 PM
Hello everyone, does anybody have info about the type and placement of these on later 67 cars (#3081)?
Thank you.
Rivets where used on later cars not bolts.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

JD

#14
Quote from: Carl111 on August 22, 2022, 06:48:14 PM
Hello everyone, does anybody have info about the type and placement of these on later 67 cars (#3081)?
Thank you.

If you're asking about how the fiberglass nose was held to the license plate/nose support bracket on later cars - then like Bob G said large head rivets were used that also held the lower tabs of the upper Vertical grille - inboards. 

If the grille/car has outboard High-Beams then that grill has a wide lower lip that runs almost the width of the grille that gets the rivets, see attached but not a good photo to show that portion of that grill, sorry. 

The large rivets were also used to hold the lower opening large "fiberglass tabs" to the cross member - pink circles on white car

See attached...
'67 Shelby Headlight Bucket Grommets https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=254.0
'67 Shelby Lower Grille Edge Protective Strip https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.0