Is this supposed to be matte black?

[JohnB]

Some black on this one. Not sure if its paint or if this pic add any information?

VIN# and Marti indicate that this car should be Grabber Green. Its not and has never been! Mistakes do happen.

[Coralsnake]

I love it! Thanks for that contribution

[J_Speegle]

Jeff,
Yes. When I removed the Shelby tail light panel, and rear valence when restoring the car, I found the over sprayed black paint. These panels had never been removed before. The factory sealant was still present on the tail light panel as well on under the front fenders.
That said, and before the 'Gods' start with the not correct comments, it was there. Also, was/is my car something special or different? Absolutely not. Was it a possible 'mistake' done at AO Smith/Kar-Kraft, maybe.

Thanks. With that I and others can look at the rear view of original unrestored (not repainted) examples to see if there is black paint above the rear valance and under the bumper. Should stand out but as you mentioned your car way be just an "odd duck" or "one of one" with no explanation of why it was done that way.

[shelbymann1970]

My 1970 GT-500 it was painted (crudely/overspray) black in the lower section as in your picture. Also, the in the cut tail light area.

Just to clarify, if you would, you recall 1970 GT-500--#3129 rear metal taillight panel under the Shelby one had black paint on the bottom of that panel and overspray continuing downward as if the rear valance was not present?


By "in the cut taillight areas". Do you mean that you recall the black paint was over the cut edge of the modified metal taillight? 

Just trying to fully understand your description so that I can look at other examples from the same time period at AO Smith.

Jeff,
Yes. When I removed the Shelby tail light panel, and rear valence when restoring the car, I found the over sprayed black paint. These panels had never been removed before. The factory sealant was still present on the tail light panel as well on under the front fenders.
That said, and before the 'Gods' start with the not correct comments, it was there. Also, was/is my car something special or different? Absolutely not. Was it a possible 'mistake' done at AO Smith/Kar-Kraft, maybe.

My underside on my vert the  batch paint was a dark metallic black. Was your floors that color also?

[shelbymann1970]

Jeff I see a few of your pics the underside color looks like the same batch "purple" as my friends unrestored Calif Boss 429.

[crossboss]

My 1970 GT-500 it was painted (crudely/overspray) black in the lower section as in your picture. Also, the in the cut tail light area.

Just to clarify, if you would, you recall 1970 GT-500--#3129 rear metal taillight panel under the Shelby one had black paint on the bottom of that panel and overspray continuing downward as if the rear valance was not present?


By "in the cut taillight areas". Do you mean that you recall the black paint was over the cut edge of the modified metal taillight? 

Just trying to fully understand your description so that I can look at other examples from the same time period at AO Smith.

Jeff,
Yes. When I removed the Shelby tail light panel, and rear valence when restoring the car, I found the over sprayed black paint. These panels had never been removed before. The factory sealant was still present on the tail light panel as well on under the front fenders.
That said, and before the 'Gods' start with the not correct comments, it was there. Also, was/is my car something special or different? Absolutely not. Was it a possible 'mistake' done at AO Smith/Kar-Kraft, maybe.

My underside on my vert the  batch paint was a dark metallic black. Was your floors that color also?

My '70 GT-500 also had the dark black metallic underneath.

[J_Speegle]

Jeff I see a few of your pics the underside color looks like the same batch "purple" as my friends unrestored Calif Boss 429.

I'm afraid that the floor color has nothing to do with the subject or area we're discussing. The floor color was not sprayed into the area being discussed and it sounds like Crossboss is describing a coating applied after body color application and over the cut surface/taillight panel done at AO Smith. Have seen many 69 Dearborn built Mustangs with similar floor color from firewall rearward without any connection to what he is describing

Crossboss I believe you will find that shelbymann1970 is only describing his floor color not his taillight panel and there is nothing in the pictures to suggest that IMHO

[Bob Gaines]

My 1970 GT-500 it was painted (crudely/overspray) black in the lower section as in your picture. Also, the in the cut tail light area.

Just so others reading don't get the wrong idea ,just like there was no black in the outlined area of the posted picture originally from the factory there typically was no black out done by AO Smith in the cut tail light area during conversion. Any black seen there most likely was done by previous owners or the body shop doing body work.

No. It was obviously sprayed under the back taillight panel, and the overspray on the bottom. It was an original car, never messed with when I bought it in 1984.

Believe what you want. I don't want others making mistakes on their cars based on your claims. Making out of the ordinary claims does not make them true. They don't stand up to scrutiny.

You owe me an apology for your pubic lashing you gave me. Now that another member's car had the same areas painted black, proves that I was not blowing smoke. You just learned something. I would also appreciate that in the future you are not closed minded, and take what others have stated are not fantasy.

I will say that I am sorry if you think that was a lashing because It wasn't meant to be . It was meant to warn others about copying mistakes. You are being naive if you think that the example you are using is a untouched example which can be used as a yard stick . Besides the small black paint marks around the tail panel there is also black paint seen on - the trunk floor sides and forward section ahead of the gas tank opening and also maybe the interior floor which would be under the fold down. Unless you are trying to say that AO Smith blacked out the entire trunk on that non black car for some reason . You aren't are you?  Before you invoke the "anything is possible" ,"you weren't there" last resort defense you may want to consider Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. In this case it is past owner done.

[JohnB]

Have a lot of pics of it prior to resto.

Here is a few.

[JohnB]

Another one

[Coralsnake]

I have to agree with Mr Gaines, there seems to be a lot of black in there that is not from the factory.

It would take multiple examples to convince me something else is going on?

[J_Speegle]

Have a lot of pics of it prior to resto.

Here is a few.

On picture two allot of that area that is dark or "black" appears to be areas where the sprayed on seam sealer was removed and in some places scrapped down to almost metal. Aren't those multiple lines in the forward trunk floor from scrapping? Also the "black" area along the passenger side trunk floor appear to follow the spray pattern also like up to and around the spare tie tie down bracket which would have typically had sealant. In other areas large amount of the seam sealer has been already removed down to the bare metal suggesting that what we are seeing is after someone has already started a restoration rather than an untouched and unrestored example. Have a number of similar looking 69 trunks and on inspection that is what had taken place on those.

Its very typical for the soft setting seam sealers in this area to have the upper layer, with body color over it, come or be rubbed off over the decades from my studies

Of course the interior of the trunk is not what crossboss was describing nor the OP so we're getting off path with some of these details IMHO.

[JohnB]

My 1970 GT-500 it was painted (crudely/overspray) black in the lower section as in your picture. Also, the in the cut tail light area.

Just so others reading don't get the wrong idea ,just like there was no black in the outlined area of the posted picture originally from the factory there typically was no black out done by AO Smith in the cut tail light area during conversion. Any black seen there most likely was done by previous owners or the body shop doing body work.

No. It was obviously sprayed under the back taillight panel, and the overspray on the bottom. It was an original car, never messed with when I bought it in 1984.

Believe what you want. I don't want others making mistakes on their cars based on your claims. Making out of the ordinary claims does not make them true. They don't stand up to scrutiny.

You owe me an apology for your pubic lashing you gave me. Now that another member's car had the same areas painted black, proves that I was not blowing smoke. You just learned something. I would also appreciate that in the future you are not closed minded, and take what others have stated are not fantasy.

I will say that I am sorry if you think that was a lashing because It wasn't meant to be . It was meant to warn others about copying mistakes. You are being naive if you think that the example you are using is a untouched example which can be used as a yard stick . Besides the small black paint marks around the tail panel there is also black paint seen on - the trunk floor sides and forward section ahead of the gas tank opening and also maybe the interior floor which would be under the fold down. Unless you are trying to say that AO Smith blacked out the entire trunk on that non black car for some reason . You aren't are you?  Before you invoke the "anything is possible" ,"you weren't there" last resort defense you may want to consider Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. In this case it is past owner done.

Not sure its paint on the forward section of the gas tank. Looks more like undercoating or sealer?

Looks to thick to be paint.

[Coralsnake]

I think we should stick to the evidence. Are there some more photos to support the blackout claims?

[JohnB]

Have a lot of pics of it prior to resto.

Here is a few.

On picture two allot of that area that is dark or "black" appears to be areas where the sprayed on seam sealer was removed and in some places scrapped down to almost metal. Aren't those multiple lines in the forward trunk floor from scrapping? Also the "black" area along the passenger side trunk floor appear to follow the spray pattern also like up to and around the spare tie tie down bracket which would have typically had sealant. In other areas large amount of the seam sealer has been already removed down to the bare metal suggesting that what we are seeing is after someone has already started a restoration rather than an untouched and unrestored example. Have a number of similar looking 69 trunks and on inspection that is what had taken place on those.

Its very typical for the soft setting seam sealers in this area to have the upper layer, with body color over it, come or be rubbed off over the decades from my studies

Of course the interior of the trunk is not what crossboss was describing nor the OP so we're getting off path with some of these details IMHO.

Hard to tell. Car/body was sitting in a shed from 1977/78 to 2016.