where is the lost 1965 / 66 Shelby Hertz GT350 car # 48 prototype ?

[FL SAAC Team Leader]

For the record – a carryover is a car that started life as a 1965 Mustang chassis and was transformed at Shelby American into a 1966 GT350. The first 252 1966 GT350s fit into that description. That would be 6S001 through 6S252.

Also for the record, all carryovers are 1966 GT350s – not 1965.

So, in addition to being a special Hertz prototype, 6S048 is a 1966 GT350 carryover (albeit the Hertz version of the GT350). It was ordered from Ford by Shelby American on the same DSO as my 6S087 and 65 other cars. It was pulled at random from that batch to build into the first Hertz prototype.

How do I know that? Because I've been studying those 252 cars for 45 years. At one time those cars were referred to as leftover 65's, 65 1/2,'s, crossovers, change-overs, and early 66's among other names.  I and the Carryover Owners Group were instrumental in getting the automotive community to unite on the term carryover, as it seemed to most accurately reflect the history of those special cars. If you'd like to learn more we have a web site:

www.CarryoverGT350.com

The "Unique Features" page is the result of my decades of research into these cars.

Over the years I've learned a lot about these cars, but I'll be the first to admit that I don't know it all. So if you think I'm wrong let's discuss it. If your presentation is strong enough I'll admit my error and give you credit for teaching me something. I'm always ready to learn something new, especially when it involves carryovers.

Steve

just reviewed your page and my hats off to you, outstanding !

[FL SAAC Team Leader]

More information on this "unicorn"

Shelby Mustang History: 1966 GT350H The Starting Grid
https://www.diyford.com/shelby-mustang-history-1966-gt350h-starting-grid/

[FL SAAC Team Leader]

1966 Shelby Mustang GT350H


https://www.supercars.net/blog/1966-shelby-mustang-gt350h/

[427hunter]

For the record – a carryover is a car that started life as a 1965 Mustang chassis and was transformed at Shelby American into a 1966 GT350. The first 252 1966 GT350s fit into that description. That would be 6S001 through 6S252.

Also for the record, all carryovers are 1966 GT350s – not 1965.

So, in addition to being a special Hertz prototype, 6S048 is a 1966 GT350 carryover (albeit the Hertz version of the GT350). It was ordered from Ford by Shelby American on the same DSO as my 6S087 and 65 other cars. It was pulled at random from that batch to build into the first Hertz prototype.

How do I know that? Because I've been studying those 252 cars for 45 years. At one time those cars were referred to as leftover 65's, 65 1/2,'s, crossovers, change-overs, and early 66's among other names.  I and the Carryover Owners Group were instrumental in getting the automotive community to unite on the term carryover, as it seemed to most accurately reflect the history of those special cars. If you'd like to learn more we have a web site:

www.CarryoverGT350.com

The "Unique Features" page is the result of my decades of research into these cars.

Over the years I've learned a lot about these cars, but I'll be the first to admit that I don't know it all. So if you think I'm wrong let's discuss it. If your presentation is strong enough I'll admit my error and give you credit for teaching me something. I'm always ready to learn something new, especially when it involves carryovers.

Steve

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.   

[98SVT - was 06GT]

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.

2 entirely different reasons. In 1965/6 the cars were selling so fast SA ordered extra cars to assure they would have enough on hand to keep their assembly line running while San Jose was shut down for the model change. In 1969 they were selling so poorly that Ford was left with a glut of them and re-tagged already completed cars as 1970s. I imagine it had everything to do with dealer contracts that required "new model" year cars not last years leftovers. We'll see this played out again with the 1,000s of 2021/2 F150's that Ford still has stored with no electronics in them. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/45000-incomplete-ford-f-150-models-clog-kentucky-speedway/

[tesgt350]

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.

If you removed the Shelby Tag under the Hood, did it show a 65 Mustang VIN# or a 66 VIN#?  I am betting a 1965 VIN#.

[s2ms]

If you removed the Shelby Tag under the Hood, did it show a 65 Mustang VIN# or a 66 VIN#?  I am betting a 1965 VIN#.

Hope you bet a large amount, you win. They all had a 5R09K...... VIN.

[alexgt350h]

Hopefully it is safely tucked away in someone's shed.
I would love to find it!
Just think about some of the recent significant finds, Little Red, Bullet. They were all hidden in an plain sight - sort of. But being that #48 was in the northeast, and if it sat outside all these years, that might be so good..
Hope someone finds it.

[427hunter]

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.

2 entirely different reasons. In 1965/6 the cars were selling so fast SA ordered extra cars to assure they would have enough on hand to keep their assembly line running while San Jose was shut down for the model change. In 1969 they were selling so poorly that Ford was left with a glut of them and re-tagged already completed cars as 1970s. I imagine it had everything to do with dealer contracts that required "new model" year cars not last years leftovers. We'll see this played out again with the 1,000s of 2021/2 F150's that Ford still has stored with no electronics in them. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/45000-incomplete-ford-f-150-models-clog-kentucky-speedway/

What part of the word "story" and "misunderstanding" did you not understand? I was talking about what people said about the carryover cars not the reality of the situation. 

[427hunter]

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.

If you removed the Shelby Tag under the Hood, did it show a 65 Mustang VIN# or a 66 VIN#?  I am betting a 1965 VIN#.

Of course they have 65 vins but I guess you did not understand that they were sold as 66's (with 66 features) not 65's?

[crossboss]

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.

2 entirely different reasons. In 1965/6 the cars were selling so fast SA ordered extra cars to assure they would have enough on hand to keep their assembly line running while San Jose was shut down for the model change. In 1969 they were selling so poorly that Ford was left with a glut of them and re-tagged already completed cars as 1970s. I imagine it had everything to do with dealer contracts that required "new model" year cars not last years leftovers. We'll see this played out again with the 1,000s of 2021/2 F150's that Ford still has stored with no electronics in them. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/45000-incomplete-ford-f-150-models-clog-kentucky-speedway/

Major reason Ford re-tagged some '69s into 1970s was because of emissions (esp for Ca.). Also, the 1970 change overs on the ign key from the dash to the steering column. Dealers do not want to sell unused 'last years' models next to the then current new models. These are just a few examples. Fast forward to those 2021/2022 F series trucks...can't sell them as 'new'. Those will most likely be crushed, and considered a loss.

[tesgt350]

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.

If you removed the Shelby Tag under the Hood, did it show a 65 Mustang VIN# or a 66 VIN#?  I am betting a 1965 VIN#.

Of course they have 65 vins but I guess you did not understand that they were sold as 66's (with 66 features) not 65's?

I totally understood.  I was referring to how some are saying that #48 is not considered a Carry Over Car.

[shelbymann1970]

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.

If you removed the Shelby Tag under the Hood, did it show a 65 Mustang VIN# or a 66 VIN#?  I am betting a 1965 VIN#.

Of course they have 65 vins but I guess you did not understand that they were sold as 66's (with 66 features) not 65's?

Every year Shelby had cars that were sold well into the next model year(my friend's 68 GT350 was sold in May of 1969). While many were "unsold" cars I've come to the belief from research that Ford built them out knowing they were going to rebadge and change emissions to market as 70s. One such thought was an email correspondence with Claude Dubois who sold my 70 new. When he heard of the program ending and that was his main source of income he flew to Detroit in the spring of 69 and ordered a bunch of "70s" so he would have cars to sell. Claude went on to create the Shelby Europa in 1971. Another is the fact they were built to the end of production. So instead of filtering "old" model year cars with the program ending they decided to build and retrofit to sell as 1970 models but had to be all converted before Jan1, 1970(lock steering column law).

[shelbymann1970]

What's funny is that years ago the story that carryover cars were leftover 65's came to be because of what ford did with the 1969 gt500's and 350' that were unsold - selling them as 70's. I think this misunderstanding has kept the value on the carryover cars higher then if people understood that they not 65 Shelby's but rather just the start of the 66 model year at Shelby.

2 entirely different reasons. In 1965/6 the cars were selling so fast SA ordered extra cars to assure they would have enough on hand to keep their assembly line running while San Jose was shut down for the model change. In 1969 they were selling so poorly that Ford was left with a glut of them and re-tagged already completed cars as 1970s. I imagine it had everything to do with dealer contracts that required "new model" year cars not last years leftovers. We'll see this played out again with the 1,000s of 2021/2 F150's that Ford still has stored with no electronics in them. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/45000-incomplete-ford-f-150-models-clog-kentucky-speedway/

Major reason Ford re-tagged some '69s into 1970s was because of emissions (esp for Ca.). Also, the 1970 change overs on the ign key from the dash to the steering column. Dealers do not want to sell unused 'last years' models next to the then current new models. These are just a few examples. Fast forward to those 2021/2022 F series trucks...can't sell them as 'new'. Those will most likely be crushed, and considered a loss.

For the record 1970 models have the key in the dash. Cars had to be fully changed over by Jan1,1970 to skirt the lock column issue. Emissions were updated also as you said for all 50 states plus the gas tanks emissions for Calif.

[tesgt350]

"For the record 1970 models have the key in the dash. Cars had to be fully changed over by Jan1,1970 to skirt the lock column issue. Emissions were updated also as you said for all 50 states plus the gas tanks emissions for Calif.
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Here is a crazy question that maybe someone can answer........ There is a Cost to doing all of the changes to the 69 Shelby's to turn them into 70's.  Would Ford had been better off to just leave them all as 69's and drop the price?