Functional lower scoops question

[imming1965]

Has anyone seen lower scoops attached like this? i'm restoring this january 67 gt350 with funcational lower scoops and i can not figure out how these were installed the way they are. i can only assume the inner part was installed and then the outer part was glued on. because there is no way to get rivet gun inside scoops to install the rivets??? quarters are original and it appears the scoops have never been taken off and reinstalled. anyone seen these scoops installed this way before? any ideas or thoughts?

[Bob Gaines]

Has anyone seen lower scoops attached like this? i'm restoring this january 67 gt350 with funcational lower scoops and i can not figure out how these were installed the way they are. i can only assume the inner part was installed and then the outer part was glued on. because there is no way to get rivet gun inside scoops to install the rivets??? quarters are original and it appears the scoops have never been taken off and reinstalled. anyone seen these scoops installed this way before? any ideas or thoughts?

At least not taken off since the forever scoops were installed.   I haven't seen one done the way described. It seems strange that there were successful scoop installs before a January 67 build and after that didn't include gluing together a scoop on the car which would seem counter intuitive to efficiency IMO.

[JD]

Have not seen that method of attaching (riveting) lower or upper scoops to the body. 

Very atypical, if taking them off the car it would be interested in seeing the hidden part (just because).

Are there any typical or atypical part numbers on these - both sides the same??

[imming1965]

Has anyone seen lower scoops attached like this? I'm restoring this January 67 gt350 with functional lower scoops and I can not figure out how these were installed the way they are. I can only assume the inner part was installed and then the outer part was glued on. because there is no way to get rivet gun inside scoops to install the rivets??? quarters are original and it appears the scoops have never been taken off and reinstalled. anyone seen these scoops installed this way before? any ideas or thoughts?

At least not taken off since the forever scoops were installed.   I haven't seen one done the way described. It seems strange that there were successful scoop installs before a January 67 build and after that didn't include gluing together a scoop on the car which would seem counter intuitive to efficiency IMO.

car was "completed" according to registry on 4/6/67 not January as I thought. I understand your skepticism Bob, i have those same thoughts on everything that doesn't seem normal or done like normal. i just going by what I'm seeing in person. the quarters are original to the car, like I said the scoops do not look like they have been changed, that is just my opinion from what I'm seeing in person. the scoops are original. the holes that were drilled in quarter were only drilled big enough for the rivets and not for studs

[imming1965]

Have not seen that method of attaching (riveting) lower or upper scoops to the body. 

Very atypical, if taking them off the car it would be interested in seeing the hidden part (just because).

Are there any typical or atypical part numbers on these - both sides the same??

JD, it is very weird way but I'm not seeing the typical larger holes for the studs, it like the only way these would have been installed is in two pieces, I posted right left side on reply to bob and here are the right side pictures

[Bob Gaines]

Has anyone seen lower scoops attached like this? I'm restoring this January 67 gt350 with functional lower scoops and I can not figure out how these were installed the way they are. I can only assume the inner part was installed and then the outer part was glued on. because there is no way to get rivet gun inside scoops to install the rivets??? quarters are original and it appears the scoops have never been taken off and reinstalled. anyone seen these scoops installed this way before? any ideas or thoughts?

At least not taken off since the forever scoops were installed.   I haven't seen one done the way described. It seems strange that there were successful scoop installs before a January 67 build and after that didn't include gluing together a scoop on the car which would seem counter intuitive to efficiency IMO.

car was "completed" according to registry on 4/6/67 not January as I thought. I understand your skepticism Bob, i have those same thoughts on everything that doesn't seem normal or done like normal. i just going by what I'm seeing in person. the quarters are original to the car, like I said the scoops do not look like they have been changed, that is just my opinion from what I'm seeing in person. the scoops are original. the holes that were drilled in quarter were only drilled big enough for the rivets and not for studs

4/6/67 or even weeks earlier seem late for a functional lower brake scoop. Regardless it is a very unconventional installation of riveting on a base and then gluing on a painted scoop onto the base. It seems very problematic installation let alone replacement from a accident etc. . There must be information missing that would make sense out of all of this. 

[imming1965]

 4/6/67 or even weeks earlier seem late for a functional lower brake scoop. Regardless it is a very unconventional installation of riveting on a base and then gluing on a painted scoop onto the base. It seems very problematic installation let alone replacement from a accident etc. . There must be information missing that would make sense out of all of this.
[/quote] I restored #1453 back in 2007 which was completed on 4/6/67 and it was a inboard and functional lower scoops. I went  back through the few pictures I took of that car and realized the lower scoops were the installed the same. it looks to me that there must have been some cars that had the scoops installed this way. two pieces, inner was installed then outer was glued on after...only way it makes sense as to why rivets are the direction they are, also if you look at inside of scoops they appear to be glued together very crude and not attached before installed.
       the picture below with black painted inside quarter is from 1453 and you can see it is installed with rivet coming from outside, unfortunately I do not have any other pictures of these scoops because I was not as good at taking picture in '07 as I am today

[imming1965]

here are a few picture of driver side also. please I'm not trying to be argumentative just seeing something different than I remember. after going back and looking at 1453 pictures I believe it was the same way, but back in '07 when I did that car, it was the first 67 i had restored, I didn't know any different, and the car have been worked on and painted and taken apart at some time before and messed with so it didn't seem odd. if someone has proof of this or came across this the info would be great. if you have a can in the 1400's that has not been restored can you please look inside your lower scoops and if you see the rivets going inward I would like to see the pictures

[JD]

WOW, '67's never cease to amaze!

Well two cars close completion dates, keep in mind we don't know what aspect of the car(s) held-up completion and cars were not started/completed in numerical order so earlier feature (ducted lower scoops) with later completion date did happen.

I agree with Bob, this method of installation may have been an attempt to find a better way but it would seem was not carried though on.

Good these two both went through the same restorer.

[J_Speegle]

....... if someone has proof of this or came across this the info would be great. if you have a can in the 1400's that has not been restored can you please look inside your lower scoops and if you see the rivets going inward I would like to see the pictures

Yes have seen this before but on only a very few and never looked into it before this to see if there was a pattern. You have two examples in pictures and I have at least one more with pictures to document this practice or experiment by Shelby. Would suggest that you don't focus on cars in the #1400's but on cars completed at Shelby in very early (or around that period) April 67. Example I found in a quick search was a car from the 900's but has a Shelby date of 4/3/67

Why they tried this, who knows. Really does not have to make sense to us today but instead our task is to document and come to the acceptance or non-acceptance of where the facts and clues lead us.

Think we've discovered another running change to add to the ton of others. Will post a picture later. Appears IMHO that the common factor is the large headed rivets used similar to the ones for the front fiberglass to front cross member or the stud retainers in the other version since they are not like what most shops or owners could easily find at the corner hardware store in the day.

Added. Shows the two piece design and the rivet head and stems used to attach. Very unrestored car though not in the best condition but that did not affect the fiberglass nor the ducting, ducts or attaching holes found

[imming1965]

....... if someone has proof of this or came across this the info would be great. if you have a can in the 1400's that has not been restored can you please look inside your lower scoops and if you see the rivets going inward I would like to see the pictures

Yes have seen this before but on only a very few and never looked into it before this to see if there was a pattern. You have two examples in pictures and I have at least one more with pictures to document this practice or experiment by Shelby. Would suggest that you don't focus on cars in the #1400's but on cars completed at Shelby in very early (or around that period) April 67. Example I found in a quick search was a car from the 900's but has a Shelby date of 4/3/67

Why they tried this, who knows. Really does not have to make sense to us today but instead our task is to document and come to the acceptance or non-acceptance of where the facts and clues lead us.

Think we've discovered another running change to add to the ton of others. Will post a picture later. Appears IMHO that the common factor is the large headed rivets used similar to the ones for the front fiberglass to front cross member or the stud retainers in the other version since they are not like what most shops or owners could easily find at the corner hardware store in the day.

Added. Shows the two piece design and the rivet head and stems used to attach. Very unrestored car though not in the best condition but that did not affect the fiberglass nor the ducting, ducts or attaching holes found

thanks Jeff, it didn't seem to be a re due to me either, I hope we will get more people to look at their cars in the early April time frame and see how many we can find. when i did 1453 back in 07 I wasn't sure about the side scoops because car had been worked on but not restored and I didn't have as much knowledge about 67 back then.

[Lfino]

Confused. Is this the way most were done?
1551

[Bob Gaines]

Confused. Is this the way most were done?
1551

No . Most were done by being secured from the back side .

[J_Speegle]

Confused. Is this the way most were done?

Here are a couple of views of the typical version  that was referred to earlier in the thread. The picture on the right is the view toward the interior of the scoop and shows the forward most attachment bracket or plate for the forward stud on that car

[JD]

Here is a thread on '67 lower scoop variations, reply #12  & 14 shows some...

https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=2351.msg21337#msg21337