67 Shelby build sheets

[shelbydoug]

I don't remember this being asked before but do the 67 Shelbys have build sheets in them? I don't think that I have ever seen one?

[Bob Gaines]

I don't remember this being asked before but do the 67 Shelbys have build sheets in them? I don't think that I have ever seen one?

Yes it has been asked but worth talking about again. The sheets are not like the conventional build sheets like seen in 68 up . they are typically refereed to as DSO or add+delete sheets . They are a series of multiple sheets that describe items to be deleted from the standard build and other items to be added. It was more a clerical thing on paper as evidence suggest that items were not physically taken off and other items added. The cars were built with the special specified items from the get go.

[J_Speegle]

Finding a "buildsheet" from a 67 Shelby would be a very rare happening IMHO

Buildsheets were printed for subassembly stations and the main line (to be attached to the front and rear of the car during the second have of construction) to help some workers identify quickly certain parts to be installed on that particular car. It's very possible that each 67 Shelby was assigned and buildsheets were printed for each car just like Mustangs and other cars built at San Jose but like the vast majority of San Jose built cars the buildsheets were not left in or attached to the car after construction was completed. Likely one of the reasons for this was that the workers did not attached substation printed buildsheets to the parts (think fully assembled seats in 67) to identify the items when they reached assembly line like at NJ, Dearborn and other Ford plants. So because of this a lot less copies would have made their way to the assembly line to be left in the cars. With this said, in general it is pretty rare to find a buildsheet in an original San Jose car (Mustangs) though, over the years I've been able to pick up a few.  Have seen examples of 65 and 66 San Jose built Shelby's which should go to support my belief that the same practice was done in 67 there on those Shelby's



There is a second reference group of pages stapled together that have often been found left in cars under the carpet in 67.  Often 6-7 pages in total.  This is the group Bob was writing about above.  Its a group of sheets I and others have often referred to as Add/Delete Sheets. ON the top of the first page they show the wording Special Vehicle Order and Parts Specifications. We've discussed these in the past in a few threads and it can get pretty deep in the weeds once we start comparing changes between the order groups and differences.

Two very different things.

[shelbydoug]

What do they look like? Can you post a picture?

[greekz]

I have a set of 8 pages of the Special Vehicle Order and Specifications and 1 page of 2, of the Daily Production Sheet.  They are copies and are not perfect.  I obtained them from a previous owner of 2759, when I was researching the Derailment Cars.  2759, is one of those cars.  When I get a chance next week, I will try scanning them and put them here unless someone else has a set and will post.

Greek

[J_Speegle]

What do they look like? Can you post a picture?

Guess your asking for a picture of the Add/Delete sheets or what ever one calls the group of pages. Think we've all seen standard buildsheets  though there are allot of differences through all the versions and years. If you need those let me know

Here is a scan of the first page of the 67 sheets showing things like number of units in the group, specifications, options  and so on. Distribution of exterior colors in the group and so on. As Bob mentioned this is basically a paper exercise for the planners and some workers to show how they start with a basic fastback with pieces that made up that sort of car and on paper delete parts and replace them with other parts to get the final product to fulfill the Shelby order.  65 and 66 are somewhat similar in practice but allot short since they had less parts changed on paper for them. Have also seen 69 sheets that are also formatted differently also. Not a surprise.


The items listed on these sheets for the same model did change over time so if one is using these for research for a particular car you need to seek out the sheets that match your cars DSO or Group. Could write so much more, there are a fair number of pages as mentioned, but enough for now I think.




In later pages its more of the nuts and bolts of removing and replacing on paper with individual parts identified. A close up of one of those sections was posted earlier in another thread - Link below

https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=13492.msg113768#msg113768

[67 GT350]

I have a bunch of pages from my old car, I was looking further, I didn't see any VIN number on it....

[J_Speegle]

I have a bunch of pages from my old car, I was looking further, I didn't see any VIN number on it....

They won't. Sheets were printed for the order group (DSO-District Special Order), 84-2549 in the example posted above, not for a specific car since they all shared the same details except for paint and that was in the first "half" of the build not the last half when the sheets were dropped in the cars.  As mentioned the sheets were not used by the line workers to guide the construction of the car that was what the buildsheet was for during the second half of construction.

[shelbydoug]

OK. I've seen those. If there is no sheet per specific car then my question is answered.

I got a copy of those from Dave Mathews.

I was shocked to find 3074 was built with 10 spokes. I would never have guessed that.

Thanks all. 

[J_Speegle]

OK. I've seen those. If there is no sheet per specific car then my question is answered.

Believe there was a buildsheet created and used for each individual car (have examples from other 67 San Jose built Mustangs and Shelby ordered/Trans Am cars) The Shelby ordered car had a notation in the "NOTE" section at the bottom identifying it as a Shelby ordered car under the DSO on the top of the page. I've also seen 65 and 66 San Jose built Shelby's with the earlier smaller buildsheets for an individual car but like 67 they did a good job to make sure that they were not left in the cars but a very very few got missed IMHO based on 50 years of collecting these things

Its just that San Jose didn't typically (and they did a real good job of making sure) didn't leave any copies in the cars like we see at some other factories.

[shelbydoug]

OK. I've seen those. If there is no sheet per specific car then my question is answered.

Believe there was a buildsheet created and used for each individual car (have examples from other 67 San Jose built Mustangs and Shelby ordered/Trans Am cars) The Shelby ordered car had a notation in the "NOTE" section at the bottom identifying it as a Shelby ordered car under the DSO on the top of the page. I've also seen 65 and 66 San Jose built Shelby's with the earlier smaller buildsheets for an individual car but like 67 they did a good job to make sure that they were not left in the cars but a very very few got missed IMHO based on 50 years of collecting these things

Its just that San Jose didn't typically (and they did a real good job of making sure) didn't leave any copies in the cars like we see at some other factories.

I just recently got a surprize on my '68. I took the seats out to clean the interior. Power wash the carpets, etc., and there was a build sheet under the springs on the driver seat.

[J_Speegle]

I just recently got a surprize on my '68. I took the seats out to clean the interior. Power wash the carpets, etc., and there was a build sheet under the springs on the driver seat.

Now that we know what they are the discovery always put a smile on an owners face. Years ago they were just trash (and many of them looked like trash) and they got tossed. Nice find 

[Kent]

I had a 68 Gt350 were I found the build sheet between the steering column and wiring harness.

[Coralsnake]

That is the most common place. It was a common practice at the NJ Assy plant

[Bill]

That is the most common place. It was a common practice at the NJ Assy plant

Yes, folded up in a tight little square with a piece of tape around it and holding it in place.

Bill S.