1969 Firewall Inspection Stickers

[nightmist67]

Are there any drawings or photos that show the proper placement of the inspection stickers that are applied to the firewall?

[Bill]

Are there any drawings or photos that show the proper placement of the inspection stickers that are applied to the firewall?

This is 2642 a May 27th, 1969 built car


Hope you find this helpful

Bill

[J_Speegle]

You'll find that the location varied some and some are not reproduced. Originally (for 69) they were paper based so not meant to last long, and often punched, sometimes printed, with the inspectors ID. IF your just going with reproductions use the ones with sharp square corners at least

Might be best if you post when the car was competed at Dearborn to get the best idea of what the inspectors were working and assigned to that task during that time period. Without any original clues that IMHO would give you the best results with the information available.

[Special Ed]

mostly black but some red used also and some with 2 letters.

[J_Speegle]

mostly black but some red used also and some with 2 letters.

+1 

[nightmist67]

The car was built in late December 1968 if that has any bearing upon the specific letters, colors and locations of the inspection stickers applied to the firewall.  Any images that show the firewall for cars built around that period would be helpful.

[shelbymann1970]

Are there any drawings or photos that show the proper placement of the inspection stickers that are applied to the firewall?

One thing people who are doing cars here should do is look at Jeff Speegle's profile and see his posts. The wealth of info he has posted here with links and pics is phenomenal. Here is one topic  on inspection stickers from last fall. Jeff posted some pics.  https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=24688.msg183854#msg183854

[J_Speegle]

The car was built in late December 1968 if that has any bearing upon the specific letters, colors and locations of the inspection stickers applied to the firewall.  Any images that show the firewall for cars built around that period would be helpful.

Sorry for the delay - catching up

You have what appears to be a very early car and I don't have any real early cars, identified by VIN, to match. Best I can offer are a couple of period pictures from early cars (pre cowl black out period) I can offer. To bad they are in black and white

Example #1

Passenger side of cowl. Looks to be a black "WW" sticker




Drivers side of cowl. Appears to be a black "B" and red "T" stickers





Example #2

Drivers side of cowl




Passenger side of cowl. =None visible in the pictures I have but the air cleaner is installed and in the way of that sticker was placed closer to the center of the cowl on the passenger side


Hope this helps in some way.

[nightmist67]

Based upon the photos provided so far, is it appropriate to conclude that there were no specific directions regarding the locations (e. g., the "B" inspection sticker located on either side of the firewall) and orientations (e. g., the "B" and the "T" inspection stickers applied upright and upside down) of the inspection stickers?

After reviewing the photos here and those engine bay photos in recent Shelby Mustang books, I occasionally see the "F" inspection sticker, but I have seen no photos showing placement of the "E" inspection sticker.  Can anyone provide comments/photos about those two inspection stickers and their respective placement on the car?

[J_Speegle]

Based upon the photos provided so far, is it appropriate to conclude that there were no specific directions regarding the locations ..........

The location of each sticker, specific ones being used and the specific inspector/shift guided the inspector for each area to produce micro patterns IMHO. Unfortunately the vast major of the evidence is only the shadow on the paint or the remains of the adhesive from the stickers leaving us short of being to use them other than locations of where some sticker was originally. Remember that inspector details like this are not required for any shows unless you in the upper class where few choose to compete. But if you place a daub, marking or sticker incorrectly that can result in a deduction.

(e. g., the "B" inspection sticker located on either side of the firewall) and orientations (e. g., the "B" and the "T" inspection stickers applied upright and upside down) of the inspection stickers?

Have not found a "B" sticker on the passenger side on any example through 69 production. Have examples (not from your production period of the "B" being to the outer side of the two stickers applied to the drivers side cowl on a couple of cars.  Have seen them on the passenger side on "restored" cars but the car also had other non-factory details so IMHO two reasons to ignore those examples.

BTW the T sticker is a "T1" (1 is smaller and not in the font shown to the left)



After reviewing the photos here and those engine bay photos in recent Shelby Mustang books,[/quote]

Suggest you don't copy or borrow details from restored car no matter how well that might have done at a show.

I occasionally see the "F" inspection sticker, but I have seen no photos showing placement of the "E" inspection sticker.  Can anyone provide comments/photos about those two inspection stickers and their respective placement on the car?

I've got "F" stickers on the passenger side in a number of examples but those cars were built months after your car In the general area where the "WW" is in the example above. "WW" stickers were used during 68 production at Dearborn so not a surprise that it was used into at least the early part of production in 69

As a side note the "F" is also applied to the trunk lid on coupe and convertible Mustangs (same plant and year) also.

Have not seen or found an "E" inspector sticker on an original or unrestored 69 car. Have on some 70 restored Mustangs. Maybe in the picture you saw someone borrowed or migrated the sticker from one year to another when the builder was guessing which and where stickers might have gone. Happens all the time

[nightmist67]

Are suggesting that I not install any inspection stickers since there is a lack of documentation regarding the specific inspection stickers used and the locations where they were applied for the time period when my car was built?

[J_Speegle]

Are suggesting that I not install any inspection stickers since there is a lack of documentation regarding the specific inspection stickers used and the locations where they were applied for the time period when my car was built?

As I see it you have two choices

1- Leave them off if your not sure. If you put them on the car someone else will surely copy your car and not do their own research trusting that you had more information than they do. "Hitting the easy button"

2- Go with the best available information available to the moment and remove or correct if more information is found at a later date

This can be applied to all sorts of different details that make up our cars

[Special Ed]

There is no exact pattern of sticker placement since different shifts, inspectors, type of car ,options , running changes ,etc The only one that seems the same is the P in the door jamb above interior light switch button.  I have seen an E on late 69 before on top lh shock tower but more common on a 70. The WW is very rarely used from what i seen and was told it meant Wind Water test and it wasnt done on all cars. Its too bad Jeff Speegle didnt live in Detroit as he would have wore out several cameras by now and wore out them  dearborn assembly line workers  asking ?s back in the day HAHA. I meet alot of ford workers on many detroit trips buying parts ,swap meets ,dearborn garage sales ,etc but but many parts guys wouldnt tell u there parts sources honey holes. I went on different assembly line tours 5 times and last  ford one was at ford 100th celebration as ford had buses going to plant tours from show. I talked to ford guys that get together a certain day of the month in detroit area and have a reunion and discuss the good ole days but that was before covid so dont know if them meeting still are going on but i would have loved to go to one and ask ?s but thats an 8 hour drive for me.

[J_Speegle]

.................. The only one that seems the same is the P in the door jamb above interior light switch button.  .......

Agreed that allot of cars had a "P" in red or black in that location. Have also examples with a "P" on the end of the drivers side cowl also before and after the change of cowl paint color.

In rare cases we also have the one older inspector that appears to have been promoted out of the job but did fill in for illness or time off that still liked to use the rubber "baseball" design that they started using in the early 60's