OIL FILL ON A 428 CJ

[rhjanes]

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

[Bob Gaines]

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.   

[FL SAAC]

* Capacity 7 quarts with oil and filter change per Ford TSB article #2322 published May 1970; add 1 more quart (8 quarts total) if equipped with an external oil cooler.




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[Bob Gaines]

* Capacity 7 quarts with oil and filter change per Ford TSB article #2322 published May 1970; add 1 more quart (8 quarts total) if equipped with an external oil cooler.




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The discussion is about a 1968 oil cooler not a 1969 /70.  You are apparently not familiar with the different oil coolers. The 67/68 and the 69/70 oil coolers are completely different shape and consequently have a different capacity. 

[FL SAAC]

* Capacity 7 quarts with oil and filter change per Ford TSB article #2322 published May 1970; add 1 more quart (8 quarts total) if equipped with an external oil cooler.




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The discussion is about a 1968 oil cooler not a 1969 /70.  You are apparently not familiar with the different oil coolers. The 67/68 and the 69/70 oil coolers are completely different shape and consequently have a different capacity. 

buenos dias Bob

If 68 through 69 (70) used the FE 428 and some got oil coolers / some did not.

Although the 68 was different cooler than later years, you still would need more oil to fill the additional capacity created by the added oil lines and coolers.

More oil yes or no ?

[FL SAAC]

Here you have a 68 and 69 oil cooler. Both are different, but both add more volume or capacity to the equation.

I have always used this TSB when changing oils on my 1969s

[Lincoln tech]

What Bob said == (Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed.) 


It's that simple ...

[rhjanes]

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.   

Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6.   I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it.  It has the windage tray on it.  Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line.  It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level.  I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.   

[shelbymann1970]

 
[/quote]Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6.   I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it.  It has the windage tray on it.  Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line.  It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level.  I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.   
[/quote]I marked my dipstick like they show on the CJ page but I also am running an oil cooler on my 69 SCJ so more going on there.

[FL SAAC]

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.   

Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6.   I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it.  It has the windage tray on it.  Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line.  It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level.  I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.   

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.   

Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6.   I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it.  It has the windage tray on it.  Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line.  It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level.  I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.   

Precisely what we have been saying

[FL SAAC]

Precisely what we have been saying

Follow the Ford TSB

[Royce Peterson]

Look at the model years. !968 is not one of them.

[Bob Gaines]

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[shelbydoug]

The entire FE series of engines was with us starting in 1958. I personally found it interesting that it had been run in all forms including racing with essentially the same oil pan configuration and suddenly in 1969 there was a problem requiring more oil in the pan?

A very strange situation.


I think it is safe to say that used as intended, i.e., an everyday street car, there is no issue really with 5-1/2 quarts. However, the very type of use at high speed events like SAAC holds at the conventions is exactly the situation that causes the oil pan to go dry of oil.

The safer decision is that it won't hurt to run more oil. It will if you don't run enough.

[FL SAAC]

The entire FE series of engines was with us starting in 1958. I personally found it interesting that it had been run in all forms including racing with essentially the same oil pan configuration and suddenly in 1969 there was a problem requiring more oil in the pan?

A very strange situation.


I think it is safe to say that used as intended, i.e., an everyday street car, there is no issue really with 5-1/2 quarts. However, the very type of use at high speed events like SAAC holds at the conventions is exactly the situation that causes the oil pan to go dry of oil.

The safer decision is that it won't hurt to run more oil. It will if you don't run enough.

That's a Big Plus One little buddy !