'69 Convertible Emblem

[shelbymann1970]

Original assembly line drawing of emblems

I have several very early "survivors" in my files, that have the emblems installed. While I cant vouch for these, this is how I form my opinion they should be there

The assembly line drawings don't appear to be absolute gospel given the vintage pictures that Gary posted that are not like the drawings. I would suggest that instead it could suggest that they are what was meant by the factory however a dealer could install in what ever combination they wanted if not there when delivered. It is less likely that factory installed emblems as in the drawings would be taken off and re installed by a dealer in a pattern like in the vintage pictures. I for one only very rarely saw that drawing pattern on a fastback. I think it looks too busy with all three emblems but that is just me. In my area it was typically just the snake on the roof area or with the emblem underneath the snake on the fastback. Just what was typical in my area back when the cars were new. The convertible I saw ether the snake on the rear quarter or with the snake and lower plaque emblem. Regardless a variety of patterns are acceptable from a historical stand point IMO. 

is it possible the locations are for the vert and FB and the drawing just sucks not calling that out?

[FL SAAC]

Yup emblem A is for a hardtop

Emblem B is for a topless car

Those Ford people are stingy. Gota save them pennys, let's use one drawing

[Coralsnake]

It does appear they have the same part number but I dont think that is correct

[Bob Gaines]

It does appear they have the same part number but I don't think that is correct

On closer inspection the document seems to read that the single snake is meant for the roof area on the fastback and the the snake and separate plaque ar meant for the convertible body style. That is still contrary to vintage pictures of emblem locations on both body styles.

[J_Speegle]

Another example of where engineers and people in the big office had one idea and plan then things changed, were altered or workers decided differently and got away with it. That IMO is the challenge of these sort of documentation. They show a point in time when someone drew, planned or put into play a detail when it could have been changed or rethought the following day. If so we just don't have that replacement drawing or the one after that one. Not to say this sort of documentation is worthless but I find documents such as TBS to be easier to trust since they report of what did take place (change or problem)  at a plant or with a particular process or part. Unfortunately in neither place do we have all of the details we would wish for.   

BTW has anyone looked this detail up in the 69 Add/Delete sheets yet?  Just a thought

[Survivor]

Is the illustration a Ford document and do we know whether the emblems were meant to be glued on or pinned.

[Coralsnake]

It is a Ford document

Emblems were adhesive

[Bob Gaines]

It is a Ford document

Emblems were adhesive

For those reading a automotive double sided tape.

[J_Speegle]

BTW has anyone looked this detail up in the 69 Add/Delete sheets yet?  Just a thought

Just to report back to confirm that apparently Ford didn't add the Shelby emblems. Just in case someone had that question 

[TA Coupe]

Gary AKA shelbymann1970 and I were discussing the emblems 2 months ago when he brought up the fact some (maybe all) were curved which I had never noticed so here's a couple of pictures of emblems that are being discussed and a couple showing me holding the snake at either end to show the curvature.

    Roy

[TA Coupe]

Shelby and Cobra emblems front and back

     Roy

[Bob Gaines]

Just to report that the metal of the emblem is such that if a slight curvature of a particular emblem needs adjustment it can be typically be carefully bent to conform. It doesn't take much pressure to accomplish if at all. The metal given its composition and thickness is flexible enough that the emblem will typically flex to conform to the upper roof area contour when pressed in place regardless of if straight or slightly curved. 

[shelbymann1970]

Just to report that the metal of the emblem is such that if a slight curvature of a particular emblem needs adjustment it can be typically be carefully bent to conform. It doesn't take much pressure to accomplish if at all. The metal given its composition and thickness is flexible enough that the emblem will typically flex to conform to the upper roof area contour when pressed in place regardless of if straight or slightly curved. 

There are definitely 2 different snakes for the 69 Shelby. Nobody bent my vert snakes before I bought them along with FB emblems for my spare collection of emblems. As fellow SAAC member has my convertible mold to check a large bag of NOS green backed emblems he has that he bought off the son of a guy who worked for a company that made them. I'll check and see if he found any vert emblems in the bag. I really do not think I could bend a FB emblem without breaking it to conform into a vert emblem dimensionally. On another not the GT500 in the pic was painted black once from grabber blue and all jambs were painted grabber blue and the roof emblems were old and pitted like the grill emblems and they were grill emblems. Yep grill emblems mounted on the roof in the pic. All 3 emblems with the same patina of pitting so I doubt the roof emblems were added later by an owner but am wondering if the dealer installed them because of  theft. Barrell clips in roof. I kept it that way after resto because I didn't know in 1990 what I know now.

[Bob Gaines]

Just to report that the metal of the emblem is such that if a slight curvature of a particular emblem needs adjustment it can be typically be carefully bent to conform. It doesn't take much pressure to accomplish if at all. The metal given its composition and thickness is flexible enough that the emblem will typically flex to conform to the upper roof area contour when pressed in place regardless of if straight or slightly curved. 

There are definitely 2 different snakes for the 69 Shelby. Nobody bent my vert snakes before I bought them along with FB emblems for my spare collection of emblems. As fellow SAAC member has my convertible mold to check a large bag of NOS green backed emblems he has that he bought off the son of a guy who worked for a company that made them. I'll check and see if he found any vert emblems in the bag. I really do not think I could bend a FB emblem without breaking it to conform into a vert emblem dimensionally. On another not the GT500 in the pic was painted black once from grabber blue and all jambs were painted grabber blue and the roof emblems were old and pitted like the grill emblems and they were grill emblems. Yep grill emblems mounted on the roof in the pic. All 3 emblems with the same patina of pitting so I doubt the roof emblems were added later by an owner but am wondering if the dealer installed them because of  theft. Barrell clips in roof. I kept it that way after resto because I didn't know in 1990 what I know now.

Gary, your vert emblem observations are not in question. To me it is a not a issue that is worth debating about given that a typical flat emblem can be made to conform to the rear quarter on a convertible . I have done it many times.

[TA Coupe]

What does the back side look like?

     Roy