6S2166 on eBay

[Bill]

I am reaching out to address some misinformation currently circulating about this Shelby. I have a clear understanding of where the rumor originated, including the dealer/collector who inspected the car when Dan considered selling it before Ted Baird acquired it.

My extensive research includes documented conversations with Bob Cloutier, who owned, raced, and restored this car, confirming that it has not been rebodied. To help set the record straight, I am more than willing to share this documentation to clarify any misunderstandings surrounding the car's authenticity.

Below, I've included one of many emails from Bob, confirming that I was the first to contact him regarding the history of this car. This correspondence further supports the car's genuine history and demonstrates the importance of preserving its true legacy.





Joseph
 
 
Yes, that was one of many really cool ford cars I owned.    I remember spending a lot of money at the time replacing most everything on the car with NOS parts....     Hopefully when you got the car you got everything that I sold the car to the guy in Florida with it.      How does the car look now?   Stock looking as it was when sold originally from Shelby American?   Or still with the 16' x 8" wheels that I would run on the car when I raced it?    Remember I also gave them the original 14" 10spoke wheels.                 I also put in tinted glass, is that still there too?     I did also give them the original non tinted glass.                     You are the 1st person since the car was sold back in 2001 to contact me about this Shelby.                 I also owned a boss 429 KK1850 and every time it changes hands the new owner reaches out to me about the history on that car!   HA!                         I seem to recall when I got 6S2166 that it had an automatic with it but still had the steel hood!      I'd have to look to see if I kept much other info on the car.   The original all wood wheel was really a mess... so I sold it and bought a NOS one.            I remember that Carrol Shelby rode in that Shelby back in the late 90s at RoadAmerica.... Chuck Canfield did too...           like I say it's been a long time ago.       
 
Hopefully, you like the car and drive it?    I also put in ½ fuel line with a smaller return line...         the car was very fast!
 
If you are ever in the Denver area, and wanted to stop over, we could look over what Shelby stuff I might still own...  but like I said when those old cars were sold....  I gave the extra stuff with the new owners or if a friend asked me for some of the stuff, I gave to them..    I remember early one I ran original 68 Shelby 10 spoke wheels on the car at vintage race events as those wheels were 15"!  HA!       I think that was what I had at road America....   I know the car won a few trophies at SAAC events.... It won trophies in the shows and at race events when trophies were given out.          Just thinking... I put an N case rear end in the car with the stock 3.89 gears and also had a couple other spare N case 3rd members the new owner got....   I think I had 3.50 & 4.88 and maybe even 3.25 N case posi gear sets..... at the different tracks I would swap the 3rd member out to keep the car in front of most others.
 
I've owned some other 66 Shelbys but didn't race them.               And yes, Bob McClurg did a nice write up on 2166 in Mustang Illustrated....  I might still have that magazine...     I remember one of my cars was also in Hot Rod magazine.... I don't recall which at this point...  it might have been that Shelby or a boss 302 I owned or maybe even KK1850?
 
 
bob
 

Bob,

No offense, but there is a previous owner here, one with first hand knowledge of the car as he owned it for 20 years, if he states the car is NOT 6S2166 , then it is not. If you believe otherwise, then you need to back that up with more than what you posted above. Perhaps subject it to a proper vetting, remove the fender and confirm the Ford VIN (correlation of that to a specific Shelby is a well known way to do so, if of course it has not been restamped).

[footnfan]

Barry Grant, that is the maker of the fuel system. It is/was a complete system fuel pump to carb. Great stuff, long gone though.. I hade 5-6 fuel pumps and just kept rebuilding them with rebuild kits, as I could no longer buy them new after he went bankrupt.

[5s386]

One of my trusted friends had inspected it, and they believe that over 80% of the metal panels have been replaced. That, and he was also told so by the seller in the 1990's. Looking at their detailed pictures, it sure looks like it.

[Gt43joe]

I am reaching out to address some misinformation currently circulating about this Shelby. I have a clear understanding of where the rumor originated, including the dealer/collector who inspected the car when Dan considered selling it before Ted Baird acquired it.

My extensive research includes documented conversations with Bob Cloutier, who owned, raced, and restored this car, confirming that it has not been rebodied. To help set the record straight, I am more than willing to share this documentation to clarify any misunderstandings surrounding the car's authenticity.

Below, I've included one of many emails from Bob, confirming that I was the first to contact him regarding the history of this car. This correspondence further supports the car's genuine history and demonstrates the importance of preserving its true legacy.





Joseph
 
 
Yes, that was one of many really cool ford cars I owned.    I remember spending a lot of money at the time replacing most everything on the car with NOS parts....     Hopefully when you got the car you got everything that I sold the car to the guy in Florida with it.      How does the car look now?   Stock looking as it was when sold originally from Shelby American?   Or still with the 16' x 8" wheels that I would run on the car when I raced it?    Remember I also gave them the original 14" 10spoke wheels.                 I also put in tinted glass, is that still there too?     I did also give them the original non tinted glass.                     You are the 1st person since the car was sold back in 2001 to contact me about this Shelby.                 I also owned a boss 429 KK1850 and every time it changes hands the new owner reaches out to me about the history on that car!   HA!                         I seem to recall when I got 6S2166 that it had an automatic with it but still had the steel hood!      I'd have to look to see if I kept much other info on the car.   The original all wood wheel was really a mess... so I sold it and bought a NOS one.            I remember that Carrol Shelby rode in that Shelby back in the late 90s at RoadAmerica.... Chuck Canfield did too...           like I say it's been a long time ago.       
 
Hopefully, you like the car and drive it?    I also put in ½ fuel line with a smaller return line...         the car was very fast!
 
If you are ever in the Denver area, and wanted to stop over, we could look over what Shelby stuff I might still own...  but like I said when those old cars were sold....  I gave the extra stuff with the new owners or if a friend asked me for some of the stuff, I gave to them..    I remember early one I ran original 68 Shelby 10 spoke wheels on the car at vintage race events as those wheels were 15"!  HA!       I think that was what I had at road America....   I know the car won a few trophies at SAAC events.... It won trophies in the shows and at race events when trophies were given out.          Just thinking... I put an N case rear end in the car with the stock 3.89 gears and also had a couple other spare N case 3rd members the new owner got....   I think I had 3.50 & 4.88 and maybe even 3.25 N case posi gear sets..... at the different tracks I would swap the 3rd member out to keep the car in front of most others.
 
I've owned some other 66 Shelbys but didn't race them.               And yes, Bob McClurg did a nice write up on 2166 in Mustang Illustrated....  I might still have that magazine...     I remember one of my cars was also in Hot Rod magazine.... I don't recall which at this point...  it might have been that Shelby or a boss 302 I owned or maybe even KK1850?
 
 
bob
 

Bob,

No offense, but there is a previous owner here, one with first hand knowledge of the car as he owned it for 20 years, if he states the car is NOT 6S2166 , then it is not. If you believe otherwise, then you need to back that up with more than what you posted above. Perhaps subject it to a proper vetting, remove the fender and confirm the Ford VIN (correlation of that to a specific Shelby is a well known way to do so, if of course it has not been restamped).

[Gt43joe]

I am reaching out to address some misinformation currently circulating about this Shelby. I have a clear understanding of where the rumor originated, including the dealer/collector who inspected the car when Dan considered selling it before Ted Baird acquired it.

My extensive research includes documented conversations with Bob Cloutier, who owned, raced, and restored this car, confirming that it has not been rebodied. To help set the record straight, I am more than willing to share this documentation to clarify any misunderstandings surrounding the car's authenticity.

Below, I've included one of many emails from Bob, confirming that I was the first to contact him regarding the history of this car. This correspondence further supports the car's genuine history and demonstrates the importance of preserving its true legacy.





Joseph
 
 
Yes, that was one of many really cool ford cars I owned.    I remember spending a lot of money at the time replacing most everything on the car with NOS parts....    Hopefully when you got the car you got everything that I sold the car to the guy in Florida with it.      How does the car look now?  Stock looking as it was when sold originally from Shelby American?  Or still with the 16' x 8" wheels that I would run on the car when I raced it?    Remember I also gave them the original 14" 10spoke wheels.                I also put in tinted glass, is that still there too?    I did also give them the original non tinted glass.                    You are the 1st person since the car was sold back in 2001 to contact me about this Shelby.                I also owned a boss 429 KK1850 and every time it changes hands the new owner reaches out to me about the history on that car!  HA!                        I seem to recall when I got 6S2166 that it had an automatic with it but still had the steel hood!      I'd have to look to see if I kept much other info on the car.  The original all wood wheel was really a mess... so I sold it and bought a NOS one.            I remember that Carrol Shelby rode in that Shelby back in the late 90s at RoadAmerica.... Chuck Canfield did too...          like I say it's been a long time ago.     
 
Hopefully, you like the car and drive it?    I also put in ½ fuel line with a smaller return line...        the car was very fast!
 
If you are ever in the Denver area, and wanted to stop over, we could look over what Shelby stuff I might still own...  but like I said when those old cars were sold....  I gave the extra stuff with the new owners or if a friend asked me for some of the stuff, I gave to them..    I remember early one I ran original 68 Shelby 10 spoke wheels on the car at vintage race events as those wheels were 15"!  HA!      I think that was what I had at road America....  I know the car won a few trophies at SAAC events.... It won trophies in the shows and at race events when trophies were given out.          Just thinking... I put an N case rear end in the car with the stock 3.89 gears and also had a couple other spare N case 3rd members the new owner got....  I think I had 3.50 & 4.88 and maybe even 3.25 N case posi gear sets..... at the different tracks I would swap the 3rd member out to keep the car in front of most others.
 
I've owned some other 66 Shelbys but didn't race them.              And yes, Bob McClurg did a nice write up on 2166 in Mustang Illustrated....  I might still have that magazine...    I remember one of my cars was also in Hot Rod magazine.... I don't recall which at this point...  it might have been that Shelby or a boss 302 I owned or maybe even KK1850?
 
 
bob
 

Bob,

No offense, but there is a previous owner here, one with first hand knowledge of the car as he owned it for 20 years, if he states the car is NOT 6S2166 , then it is not. If you believe otherwise, then you need to back that up with more than what you posted above. Perhaps subject it to a proper vetting, remove the fender and confirm the Ford VIN (correlation of that to a specific Shelby is a well known way to do so, if of course it has not been restamped).

Bob,

I have spoken Dan Cundiff. The previous owner of 20 years that you refer to. He wasn't able to give me any real idea of how he knows it was rebodied just continued to say "I just know" it was"
Despite him selling the original hood on Bring a trailer for 11,000 along with all the other original parts. It was not until I spoke with someone that was familiar to tell me the rumor was started when dan wanted to sell
The car and a collector/dealer told him that. The original ford Vin is present on the driver side aprin as well as the Shelby matching Vin is present on the passenger side aproan. The body has many factory stampings on. I had Ken Costella a Shelby professional view the car through a video conference call and photos to verify the aproans had factory welds attached to the body. If anybody has real info about this car I would appreciate reaching out to me also I have extensive documentation if anybody is interested in diving more into the incredible history of this car. Feel free to send me a message and I will give you my direct line and email

[Gt43joe]

One of my trusted friends had inspected it, and they believe that over 80% of the metal panels have been replaced. That, and he was also told so by the seller in the 1990's. Looking at their detailed pictures, it sure looks like it.

I have an inspection from the 90s when the car was only a 2 owner Shelby from Orlando mustang explaining 2166 has original floors, fenders, doors, quarter panels. See inspection below

[98SVT - was 06GT]

One of my trusted friends had inspected it, and they believe that over 80% of the metal panels have been replaced. That, and he was also told so by the seller in the 1990's. Looking at their detailed pictures, it sure looks like it.

I have an inspection from the 90s when the car was only a 2 owner Shelby from Orlando mustang explaining 2166 has original floors, fenders, doors, quarter panels. See inspection below

Being rebodied would certainly effect value. Stating it is without being able to prove it can lead you to be sued in a civil suit for effecting the value. If you were the one who rebodied it you would know but would not want that shared because you may have sold it on as 100% original (or just sold just the Ford & SA #s)........
Why are the export brace and plate not listed as "original"? The report doesn't make any statement as to the condition of those floors, etc. Nor does it have any confirmation of the Shelby v Ford numbers. Did anyone check the Ford number on the passenger side? You don't need to drill any rivets to see it.

[Gt43joe]

The original Ford VIN and Shelby numbers on the aprons all match and are correct

[Bill]

The original Ford VIN and Shelby numbers on the aprons all match and are correct

   Don't get me wrong, it's a nice car, yet, I'd love to have it in my small collection, and the question of the current number stamps as presented being matching are not at this point an issue. What is actually in question is whether they were stamped into those panels in 1966, or whether they were restamped into those panels at a later date. In addition, that also calls in to question whether those panels are original to the 6S166. There are ways to tell, but it requires unfettered access to the car and those panels for a full day, by someone who is intimately aware of the nuances between factory original and otherwise.

Bill

[J_Speegle]

The original Ford VIN and Shelby numbers on the aprons all match and are correct

Are you reporting that you saw all of them in person or something else? Often people interpret Howard's email or letter to mean something more that it states is the reason I'm asking. All Howard's typical boilerplate message states is that the numbers provided, typically no photos or other evidence is provided other than the printed numbers in the request, match the numbers he has on file.

Nothing more. Do have a copy of that email for this particular car on file.