Re: David Lee Larson of Larson MasterWorks

[pbf777]

    Your right I can't, but I believe magnesium 'can' be plasma-sprayed onto aluminum. 

    But again, it isn't that big of a deal; "it is what it is" and it's still cool!  

    It's just more about principals  ...........and just the idea that I was had! 

    As far as for "flow-benching", this is one of the those instances where such testing really still leaves one in the dark, it's that "I.R. thing".  But in general, experience has shown that these old style F.I. manifolds exhibit to small of a port cross sectional area and throttle butterfly diameter, not to mention often also present too sharp of a turn into the cylinder head port (this being the case for the "Weber" intakes also), to make any really "big power", that as we know of it today; but on a smaller capacity (289-302) can provide plenty of "giddy up" for a nostalgia application. 

    Besides, it's just 'cool'! 
 
    Scott.   

[shelbydoug]

As a recent participant in an ancient artifact discussion here, in fact the antagonist in initiating one, I think this really isn't an issue whether or not it is magnesium.

The reason being that no one is going to represent this intake as the ultimate performance intake of all time so that you can build the ultimate performance engine using it now.

It is "an ancient artifact" and that is the reason it is desirable. Like "King Tut's death mask".



Pricing such items is difficult and speculative at best. "He's got it. You want it." It's only a question of what price you can agree on. If you can't come to an agreement, then it is just made out of "unobtainieum".


An example of this thinking in the case of a Ford 427, which is what I presume we are talking about since this post has no pictures posted. is the "lightweight 427 magnesium intake".

In examining what it is, it has no better perfomance/horsepower potential then the aluminum PI version of itself.
It is ONLY about weight savings BACK IN THE DAY, and really is now, ONLY just about it's novelty and the very small production numbers originally.


If you have one and you want to use it on an engine. Great. It's yours. Do what you want with it.
It is definitely a "horse of a different color" and I'm still fascinated at looking at them, strange as they are. But in the end, "so what"?


I remember looking for a "welder" to repair my C6FE aluminum 427 heads. The "shop" was building "Pro Stock Camaro" chassis back in 1985. He was the only qualified aluminum welder that I could find.

They were using Chevy BB Pro Stock cylinder heads for "door stops", so when I dropped my FORD heads off to them and asked for some kind of receipt, they told me why? Aluminum scrap is only $.23 a pound.

Really? How much are heads for a Mk2B GT40 worth?


Anyway, the value is in the eyes of the beholder. The novelty is in knowing what they belong to. That value is in your head. To a Pro-Stock Camaro builder, they are just worth a couple of bucks in scrap. Especially being FORD parts. I had a slightly different perspective.

I couldn't stay any longer to debate that anyway. The cocaine dust permeating the shop had my head spinning and I had to rest a bit just to find my way back home. After all, it was the '80s?

[JohnSlack]

As a recent participant in an ancient artifact discussion here, in fact the antagonist in initiating one, I think this really isn't an issue whether or not it is magnesium.

The reason being that no one is going to represent this intake as the ultimate performance intake of all time so that you can build the ultimate performance engine using it now.

It is "an ancient artifact" and that is the reason it is desirable. Like "King Tut's death mask".



Pricing such items is difficult and speculative at best. "He's got it. You want it." It's only a question of what price you can agree on. If you can't come to an agreement, then it is just made out of "unobtainieum".


An example of this thinking in the case of a Ford 427, which is what I presume we are talking about since this post has no pictures posted. is the "lightweight 427 magnesium intake".

In examining what it is, it has no better perfomance/horsepower potential then the aluminum PI version of itself.
It is ONLY about weight savings BACK IN THE DAY, and really is now, ONLY just about it's novelty and the very small production numbers originally.


If you have one and you want to use it on an engine. Great. It's yours. Do what you want with it.
It is definitely a "horse of a different color" and I'm still fascinated at looking at them, strange as they are. But in the end, "so what"?


I remember looking for a "welder" to repair my C6FE aluminum 427 heads. The "shop" was building "Pro Stock Camaro" chassis back in 1985. He was the only qualified aluminum welder that I could find.

They were using Chevy BB Pro Stock cylinder heads for "door stops", so when I dropped my FORD heads off to them and asked for some kind of receipt, they told me why? Aluminum scrap is only $.23 a pound.

Really? How much are heads for a Mk2B GT40 worth?


Anyway, the value is in the eyes of the beholder. The novelty is in knowing what they belong to. That value is in your head. To a Pro-Stock Camaro builder, they are just worth a couple of bucks in scrap. Especially being FORD parts. I had a slightly different perspective.

I couldn't stay any longer to debate that anyway. The cocaine dust permeating the shop had my head spinning and I had to rest a bit just to find my way back home. After all, it was the '80s?

Back in the 1980s I was on my way to Casa Grande Arizona from Las Vegas Nevada. An ex-Girlfriend was bartending in a small town in the mountains North of Phoenix I stopped by for conversation and a burger. She knew what my obsession with cars and performance was like and she told me about a man who used to work for FoMoCo in Dearborn that was now a regular. Well he didn't come in that day, so she called him and told him I wanted to meet him, and he invited me out to his place. She went with me and we got to his place.

This guy had retired soon after Ford said no more racing, I won't go into everything that he had stuffed in his barn as the fantastic nature of it all would make the story sound not real. But suffice it to say when he opened the barn I thought "Yes, Wonderful Things!" We spent a good couple of hours just looking at the things in the building. Astonishing NOS performance parts that many of which I had never even heard of. Then we went over to the house and sat in his living room, he had a beer, I had a Coke. There above the fireplace on the mantle was an NOS aluminum Tunnel port head, brand new, I told him that of all the things that I saw that day that cylinder head was the most desirable item in the world to me. It was a pity that he didn't have a pair of them. He got up walked down the hall and came back with it's mate. I was stunned to put it mildly. That is when he told me that he was on the design team for the 427 cylinder heads and participated in the design of the Tunnel port heads. It was one of the things he was proudest of. I told him the only other time I had seen a pair of them was at Randy Scoville's shop in Sun Valley California. Randy had recently received the GT40 MkII for a private owner after it had left the Harrah's collection. (Side note how dumb and short sighted was Harrah's for selling that?!)

After the Coke we traded phone numbers, he said the obligatory, "I'll have my family give you a call about those heads after I die," I told him I hoped that would never happen and I continued on to Casa Grande to do work for my Dad.

Rare Stuff, man do I love it.

Congratulations on your aluminum 289 302 Injection manifold it doesn't matter that it's not aluminum because your right, it's cool!

P.S. don't plasma spray it.


John

[Coralsnake]

I hope he spends the money well, it will cost his reputation a lot more when people are referred to this thread and his eBay listing

You should copy that before it is gone from the site

[JohnSlack]

I hope he spends the money well, it will cost his reputation a lot more when people are referred to this thread and his eBay listing

You should copy that before it is gone from the site

Yes! The most valuable thing any of us has is our integrity and reputation.


John

[pbf777]

Yes! The most valuable thing any of us has is our integrity and reputation.

    I'm afraid this is not the notion for these newer generations in our society today, and probably this individual exemplifies this current self absorbed demeanor; note the sum of pictures of himself, particularly "selfies" posted on his Facebook page!  Not to be sexist, but this behavior is what we back in our day would have only expected from teenage girls! 

    Scott. 

[Coralsnake]

We are reminded daily immaturity and love self are prevalent in many people.