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Borgeson or cpp steering

Started by 65cobra, February 27, 2025, 08:24:47 PM

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65cobra

I am not a fan of fords power wandering and leaking system.   

I have a borgeson on my 69 and it's excellent. cpp makes a kit I have not seen any reviews on.  Does either work with a 428 manual car?

Would this devalue the car?  I may not hold it a long time.  It's very nice and correct looking but has reproduction parts, color change, transmission change etc.  Visually not much would change except maybe going to a Saginaw pump

65cobra

Chockostang talked me off the ledge.  I think he said "you don't want to put that argentine junk on you car"

restomod I would do it in a heart beat.

Bob Gaines

Quote from: 65cobra on March 01, 2025, 01:00:13 PMChockostang talked me off the ledge.  I think he said "you don't want to put that argentine junk on you car"

restomod I would do it in a heart beat.
Smart move IMO. I am sure he told you a proper rebuilt steering box and properly rebuilt P/S system are hard to beat. 
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

65cobra

I think he promised it would be as good as it ever was :)

build creep is setting in.  Front suspension is a mix mash of parts some new some old, its all serviceable and no clunks or anything.

I am thinking of just replacing it all with this, any input?
 
https://www.kentuckymustang.com/chassis/suspension/suspension-kits/suspension-kit-big-block-v8-deluxe-1968-1970.html#/filter:year:1968

This car has nice paint, interior, and motor but its not super original but it all looks original if that makes sense.  1966 block, no smog, color and trans change etc.

Bob Gaines

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Quote from: 65cobra on March 03, 2025, 04:39:55 PMI think he promised it would be as good as it ever was :)

build creep is setting in.  Front suspension is a mix mash of parts some new some old, its all serviceable and no clunks or anything.

I am thinking of just replacing it all with this, any input?
 
https://www.kentuckymustang.com/chassis/suspension/suspension-kits/suspension-kit-big-block-v8-deluxe-1968-1970.html#/filter:year:1968

This car has nice paint, interior, and motor but its not super original but it all looks original if that makes sense.  1966 block, no smog, color and trans change etc.
It should be noted that the items you posted will help a tired suspension but Not much to do with better steering . Even though the the suspension parts will not much effect better steering better repro part alternatives are available from Virginia Classic or NPD. Coils typically do not need replaced even on a GT500. On a valuable classic Shelby you are dollars ahead from a investment standpoint if you replace with something that looks like original. Those 3 bolt upper control arms are what replacement parts started looking like after 1970. You can do better that look better IMO. Same for the lowers which there better looking alternatives. Of course if you don't care then simple kit like Kentucky offers might seem less involved.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

Bob Gaines

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For things that will effect better steering I would also mention that one of the most overlooked part of the front steering is the steering box. After 50 + years the bearings inside are worn to a point of allowing slop in the steering and the grease has turned to the consistency of dried Play-Doh . Get it rebuilt because I have a high confidence level that it will make a dramatic difference if it never has. To a lesser extent the power control valve on the drag link can get loose and allow slop with age. Most restorers overlook these two things that can make all of the differance in the world . They Idler arm is the weakest link in the steering and needs to be replaced as part of a front end rebuild.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

65cobra

Fast response but I ordered a few things this morning, suspension kit was back ordered, so I thought I had some time, but I just got a ship notification, Ill follow some details from Coral Snakes site,  paint saddles and upper arms grey etc and roll with it.  It will look much better than what is in there.

Maybe I will mess with the rear a little bit after I swap this all in. do new rear springs fix the lean?

Bob Gaines

Quote from: 65cobra on March 03, 2025, 06:27:50 PMFast response but I ordered a few things this morning, suspension kit was back ordered, so I thought I had some time, but I just got a ship notification, Ill follow some details from Coral Snakes site,  paint saddles and upper arms grey etc and roll with it.  It will look much better than what is in there.

Maybe I will mess with the rear a little bit after I swap this all in. do new rear springs fix the lean?
What numbers are on the bottom plate of the springs that are in there now? It can be important.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby