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66's that did not have thick beehive washers.

Started by 6s1802, September 13, 2018, 04:58:17 PM

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jerry merrill

I was the owner of 6s1869 and unless Hertz removed them they were missing from the car when i had it back in the 70's.

gt350hr

Quote from: s2ms on September 13, 2018, 11:29:41 PM
OK, FWIW...

I have 47 cars on my list. The earliest is in the late 1400's, the latest in the 2200's. Three of the earliest cars on the list have one shock tower with washers and one without. Thirty four are tightly clustered between 1600-1900.

They include restored and unrestored cars. If there was any question about whether a car was a rebody, had the front clip replaced, etc., it wasn't included.

  Dave that is consistent with my notes. ( I never took pictures back then)  6S1514 had "one with and one without" , so we changed it in the '70's. I changed at least ten other GT350s that didn't have the washers. Back then I figured it was because the cars had Autolite shocks not Konis and Ford(or SAI) didn't feel they were necessary any longer. I used the same FE rocker stand washer , notched , and mig welded like Ford did.
   Randy
Celebrating 46 years of drag racing 6S477 and no end in sight.

camp upshur

#17
 

I thought they were a T-5 item.

What's a beehive?

98SVT - was 06GT

Quote from: camp upshur on September 14, 2018, 12:33:37 PM


I thought they were a T-5 item.

What'a a beehive?

Yes - part of the Ford factory chassis strengthing parts package for exported cars.
Previous owner 6S843 - GT350H & 68 GT500 Convert #135.
Mine: GT1 Mustang, 1998 SVT 32V, 1929 Model A Coupe, Wife's: 2004 Tbird
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J_Speegle

Quote from: s2ms on September 13, 2018, 11:29:41 PM
,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thirty four are tightly clustered between 1600-1900.

How many do you have with washers from the same 300 car spread?
Jeff Speegle- Mustang & Shelby detail collector, ConcoursMustang.com mentor :) and Judge

Bob Gaines

Quote from: camp upshur on September 14, 2018, 12:33:37 PM


I thought they were a T-5 item.

What's a beehive?
A term that some Ford employees have used to refer to the upper shock brackets in Ford documents. I suppose it is because of the shape of the 65/66 upper shock brackets that resemble a cartoon bee hive. Kind of silly if you ask me but it was a term that was used.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

s2ms

Quote from: 6s1802 on September 14, 2018, 12:05:04 AM
How many in the late 1700 early 1800 range?

There are 12 cars between 1750 and 1850.

Quote from: gt350hr on September 14, 2018, 11:30:55 AM
  Dave that is consistent with my notes. ( I never took pictures back then)  6S1514 had "one with and one without" , so we changed it in the '70's. I changed at least ten other GT350s that didn't have the washers. Back then I figured it was because the cars had Autolite shocks not Konis and Ford(or SAI) didn't feel they were necessary any longer. I used the same FE rocker stand washer , notched , and mig welded like Ford did.
   Randy

Thanks Randy, I did not have 6S1514 on my list, I do now!

Quote from: J_Speegle on September 14, 2018, 08:21:49 PM
How many do you have with washers from the same 300 car spread?

Jeff, I have not documented cars with washers, all I can say is definitely more in that grouping do not have them in my observations.
Dave - 6S1757

Bob Gaines

Quote from: s2ms on September 15, 2018, 12:28:21 AM
Quote from: 6s1802 on September 14, 2018, 12:05:04 AM
How many in the late 1700 early 1800 range?

There are 12 cars between 1750 and 1850.

Quote from: gt350hr on September 14, 2018, 11:30:55 AM
  Dave that is consistent with my notes. ( I never took pictures back then)  6S1514 had "one with and one without" , so we changed it in the '70's. I changed at least ten other GT350s that didn't have the washers. Back then I figured it was because the cars had Autolite shocks not Konis and Ford(or SAI) didn't feel they were necessary any longer. I used the same FE rocker stand washer , notched , and mig welded like Ford did.
   Randy

Thanks Randy, I did not have 6S1514 on my list, I do now!

Quote from: J_Speegle on September 14, 2018, 08:21:49 PM
How many do you have with washers from the same 300 car spread?

Jeff, I have not documented cars with washers, all I can say is definitely more in that grouping do not have them in my observations.
That's a shame that so many are missing the complete Shelby DNA sequence. ;)
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

s2ms

Dave - 6S1757

J_Speegle

Quote from: s2ms on September 15, 2018, 12:40:02 AM
Somehow I knew that was coming... ;)

I'm doing it also ;) Got to the 2000's today.  (12,000 pictures so far)

Will be interesting to see what we both come up with
Jeff Speegle- Mustang & Shelby detail collector, ConcoursMustang.com mentor :) and Judge

Bob Gaines

Quote from: s2ms on September 15, 2018, 12:40:02 AM
Somehow I knew that was coming... ;)
I didn't want to leave you hanging waiting for the other shoe to drop.  Only meant in fun :D
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

s2ms

Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 15, 2018, 12:52:30 AM
I didn't want to leave you hanging waiting for the other shoe to drop.  Only meant in fun :D

Thanks, figured the other shoe was close behind!   :D

Quote from: J_Speegle on September 15, 2018, 12:47:44 AM

I'm doing it also ;) Got to the 2000's today.  (12,000 pictures so far)

Will be interesting to see what we both come up with

Yes, hopefully we can come up with something more detailed on this subject, sent you a PM...
Dave - 6S1757

rraceme

#27
sorry to be posting on such an old thread but I'm sure someone is wanting this information to document on my recent purchase. 6S2227 has washers on LH side and none on RH side (on beehive shock mount). I purchased my car from the same owner since 1972 and he stated he never removed them. My car has been sitting in a garage unmolested since 1988ish. Equipped with vintage old Koni's but they are a HD weird size, they don't look consistent with koni of the day.

I've seen this before on GT-350's - one with & one without. I looked at a red 1966 GT-350 from Orlando mustang for possible purchase a few years ago and it was just like mine.
I can provide pics of my beehives if someone needs for documentation? I'm new to the forum so if I've violated forum protocol by posting to such old thread let me know. Im new to SAAC and enjoying reading all posting on 1966 \65 GT-350's.
SFM 6S2227

acman63

You really can't go by anything other than original owners.  A lot can happen in 7 years . If you put Konis on any Mustang you need to make changes to keep the upper mounts  from getting ruined .  Virtually every GT350  Ive worked on in the last 40 years that came in with Konis or Ford shocks  and didn't use the longer bolts to account for the welded washer had stripped out holes and needed to be replaced .
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Owner Shelby Parts and Restoration Since 1977

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Rocket

6S550 Has the washers, and had them when I bought it in 1967, Ron
Original owner of 6S550. Owned since 1967. 64,000 Miles, all body original except hood and front valance. All glass original except windshield. Still has aluminum 4 speed. Has replacement Mico.  Also own 1966 Mustang convertible. They are drivers, not trailer queens.