1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale

[CSX 4133]

Anyone looking for a vintage race car?

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1964-FORD-FALCON-SPRINT-RACE-CAR-223703

[acman63]

Bob Johnson car,   saw it this summer,  looks amazing

[CSX 4133]

A great piece of early Shelby history for sure.

[Bigfoot]

In the description.
My question
What is a "Super T-10" vs a regular T-10?

[acman63]

Its a later transmission ,  used different ratio s and better synchros.

[gt350hr]

   How does a 64 vin , and fiberglass parts make it a '63 prototype??  What am I missing. Also when did SCCA allow fiberglass body panels on "production" cars?
    Randy

[Bigfoot]

Its a later transmission ,  used different ratio s and better synchros.

Thnx for explanation

[427heaven]

   How does a 64 vin , and fiberglass parts make it a '63 prototype??  What am I missing. Also when did SCCA allow fiberglass body panels on "production" cars?
    Randy

  Is this a real car that has been owner adjusted to suit his needs, or a back yard special?

[kranky]

In talking with one of the other forum members a while back about SCCA Falcons..the fiberglass hood, rear deck lid and fiberglass front fenders were legal in SCCA A/S (A sedan)...the fiberglass doors are not legal. 

[gt350hr]

  Kranky,
       I am not doubting your word at all , but I would like to see the  "rule book" on that one.
    Randy

[kranky]

To Randy....unfortunately I don't have a copy of the SCCA rule book for 1967 but in talking to TA22 (Gary) who referred the question about Falcons to Mike Eddy (ex-Cordts/Dittemore-TA Falcon)...Eddy had mentioned that for SCCA Trans-Am racing and SCCA A-Sedan racing, the front hood, rear deck lid and front fenders were legal (although his car currently has metal front fenders) and that the FIA legal fiberglass doors (homologated for rally racing) were not.  If this was British Touring cars after 1966....then this would all be legal for Group 5 spec built cars in Europe. 

You would think that the SCCA tech inspectors would have caught this issue during a tech inspection and noted the lightness of the door and the different sound it made when you shut the door.  The following link notes that the doors had all of the "roll up windows":

https://www.rcnmag.com/blog/bob-johnson-ford-falcon-races-again-after-30-years

[TA22 (Gary Goeringer)]

Kranky is absolutely correct   !!!

This is a real deal car originally Prairie Beige with red interior............documented ownership chain from new..................I have interviewed Don Sesslar extensively about this car.  Purportedly built by Dearborn Steel Tubing(unconfirmed by me).  Documented race history.

Last driven at Pocono Speedway @ SAAC ?? in the '80's in its current livery (owned and driven by Jim Harrell in this livery).  Engine expired during the event and parked-----prior owner now resides in a Federally subsidized gated community....current owner is well known throughout the vintage racing, SACC and Historic Trans Am communities with a eyebrow raising reputation.

several of us have tracked this car for 30 years or more

Randy...you should google Bob Johnson and Don Sesslar look at the race results..........smooch

[gt350hr]

   I have NO doubt as to the history of the car , NOR am I trying to discredit it AT ALL.  "My" question is simply about the fiberglass panels being SCCA legal.
"I" had never heard about that. "To me" fiberglass panels would be difficult to get the SCCA to accept. I am open to education and learn something new every day. The description of the car has some issues like "prototype '63" when it clearly has a '64 vin , and the 999 part is a real stretch as far as having some significance (again IMHO) .
      Randy

[TA22 (Gary Goeringer)]

Understood Randy.  The FIA/ACCUS homologation papers had all of the fiberglass components approved.  The SCCA, it seems, made changes to the homologated items based upon their perceived safety concerns.  That was done routinelky for both A/Sedan and Trans Am.  That said, fiberglass panels did run at various times on three Falcons that I am aware of --the Johnson/Harrell car, the Pike car and the Cordts/Dittemore Falcon.  Fiberglass doors or bumpers were never allowed.  This was confirmed to me by both Sesslar and Pike............  We can take that for what its worth.  Since I wasn't there, it's the only evidence I am aware of---I am certainly open to hearing more.  Regarding the alleged prototype, 999 claims or description..............I have no evidence to prove or disprove...caveat emptor

[TA22 (Gary Goeringer)]

UPDATE......I have new information: the 4th owner of 43 years served 7 months as a guest of the state, was released and has been a model citizen since his release.  The event the car was last run was SAAC 7.