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Radiator questions

Started by 2112, February 02, 2018, 01:38:38 AM

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2112

Those were just a couple extremes.

NPD has one that sounds more appropriate (Modine built) at $475ish

mlplunkett

I'll be going through this same struggle soon for my tribute build. I checked the NPD site and they don't have a radiator for the 67 390 and don't give you the option of a 428 so to go back to the question, is anyone aware of an appropriate reproduction of the 428 radiator that mounts using the correct brackets? I don't need concours parts, I just want correct appearance. The car is in the deep south and will be an AC car so cooling will be critical.
67 GT500 tribute under construction
65 R-model tribute under construction

The Going Thing

#18
To answer the question: I have seen several cars with replacement radiators. The 67 FE radiator is unique in a couple respects.  It has a more narrow core than the 68-up cores. The fan shroud for 67 is different width wise and the lower tank saddle is different and unique to 67.  The service units I have seen are all of the 68-70 variant 24" core, different bottom tank and requires the use of 68 saddles. The ones posted above are 67 only and will NOT work with service units or current replacements.




Bob Gaines

Quote from: mlplunkett on July 06, 2020, 10:33:10 AM
I'll be going through this same struggle soon for my tribute build. I checked the NPD site and they don't have a radiator for the 67 390 and don't give you the option of a 428 so to go back to the question, is anyone aware of an appropriate reproduction of the 428 radiator that mounts using the correct brackets? I don't need concours parts, I just want correct appearance. The car is in the deep south and will be an AC car so cooling will be critical.
Then go with the 24 inch better cooling 68-70 radiator ,fan shroud and lower saddles. 4 core if available. Same fan and clutch work for ether. You do not want to overheat the 67 radiators are prone to do with a 390 /428 . That is why they were expanded for 68-70.99% of the people will not notice a difference. Some people do this and get a original FOMOCO marked top tank to be even more in disguise. I don't really think this is necessary given the tribute status (not meant derogatory). Just trying to get you the best driving experience.   
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

mlplunkett

Sounds like great advice Bob. Did you have a particular vendor's product in mind.
67 GT500 tribute under construction
65 R-model tribute under construction

The Going Thing

There are a couple rebuildable cores on Ebay. They are in the 800-1000,00 range and you're looking at another 400.00 to put a three row core in.

Amazon has the ACP units which look close to the Ford offering and Summit has the Scott Drake unit that also is a very close.
Of course you could order the correct tag from AMK Products to further make it look original.

Here is the link for the Drake unit:
https://www.summitracing.com/tx/parts/sdk-379-3/make/ford/model/mustang/year/1967

Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/1967-70-Mustang-Aluminum-Radiator-70-302/dp/B072KLT92J/ref=pd_sbs_263_1/147-4147094-3563436?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B072KLT92J&pd_rd_r=d77a11ec-b003-4f96-af56-b44d4ff9dbd7&pd_rd_w=QMLb6&pd_rd_wg=FLcHh&pf_rd_p=d28ef93e-22cf-4527-b60a-90c984b5663d&pf_rd_r=9VKPWK2VKF2GZCNTMRE4&psc=1&refRID=9VKPWK2VKF2GZCNTMRE4

Bob Gaines

Quote from: mlplunkett on July 06, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
Sounds like great advice Bob. Did you have a particular vendor's product in mind.
Sorry but I can't provide any insight there.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

mlplunkett

This seems to be as close as I can find to original style for a reasonable price. I looks like the only way you can buy it is with the built in AC cooler (that may also be suitable for AT cooling?). Did the 67 cars have an external AC condenser?

https://www.amazon.com/1967-1970-Mustang-Radiator-Large-Style/dp/B00JXR1DES/ref=pd_sbs_263_1/141-5286916-4720618?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00JXR1DES&pd_rd_r=5b51e663-a2c7-4167-bc47-349059b0dd3d&pd_rd_w=WgTFd&pd_rd_wg=saTgU&pf_rd_p=d28ef93e-22cf-4527-b60a-90c984b5663d&pf_rd_r=QRT2TWET2BEZWTQ4PG4Y&psc=1&refRID=QRT2TWET2BEZWTQ4PG4Y
67 GT500 tribute under construction
65 R-model tribute under construction

Bob Gaines

Quote from: mlplunkett on July 06, 2020, 04:05:24 PM
This seems to be as close as I can find to original style for a reasonable price. I looks like the only way you can buy it is with the built in AC cooler (that may also be suitable for AT cooling?). Did the 67 cars have an external AC condenser?

https://www.amazon.com/1967-1970-Mustang-Radiator-Large-Style/dp/B00JXR1DES/ref=pd_sbs_263_1/141-5286916-4720618?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00JXR1DES&pd_rd_r=5b51e663-a2c7-4167-bc47-349059b0dd3d&pd_rd_w=WgTFd&pd_rd_wg=saTgU&pf_rd_p=d28ef93e-22cf-4527-b60a-90c984b5663d&pf_rd_r=QRT2TWET2BEZWTQ4PG4Y&psc=1&refRID=QRT2TWET2BEZWTQ4PG4Y
no such thing as a built in A/c cooler on one these radiators. You are confusing description with automatic cooler. Originally you had a radiator for Auto and one for Manual . Later the factory decided to make the automatic version the de facto replacement for both. That way less parts had to be inventoried.  The aftermarket followed suit. You will be hard pressed to find a replacement radiator without the automatic cooler incorporated into the design. Of course there are ways to disguise it so that it doesn't look like it is there but it is a small detail and not worth the trouble to worry about it in this context IMO.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

The Going Thing

The cooler in the bottom is for automatic transmissions. They are usually just plugged if you're running a manual transmission.  My four speed car doesn't have the provision for cooler lines. The condenser is a completely separate unit. and is mounted in front of the radiator to the core support.

2112

Amazon is now selling Vintage Muscle radiators?

:P

The Going Thing

Well, someone through Amazon. They were available next day too on Prime!  Who would have ever guessed?  ;D
Summit had them locally too.  I did notice the  Scott Drake unit wasn't cheap at 496.00. About 100.00 less than the new core I put into the original Ford tanks

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67 GT350  SJ 02/01/67  Gray 4spd A/C
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