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1967 GT350 B/FX racer found in Chicago.

Started by Thomas, June 19, 2019, 11:07:45 AM

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Harris Speedster

Thomas,
I applaud the research work you are doing.

But, please be careful in buying parts that you can not verify or document original to the car when raced.

Weigh on the side of caution my friend.
Jeff brought up the trans and radiator for ID purposes.

That is another avenue, scour the SAAC world registry.
See what cars were white, and un accounted for.

To further that, pull date codes off the panels on your race car, that will even further whittle down
white Shelby's built prior to those codes on your car.


One thing leads to the next, just like learning the trans was out of a 350, Yes ?
Keep up the work.
A picture may turn up one day, and if so, you do not want it too bite you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Respectfully submitted,

John
Member of the Society or Automotive Historians
Is this the first futuristic exotic in the world?
Size of an ac cobra, but built in 1935 !
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Coralsnake

#106
QuoteThat is another avenue, scour the SAAC world registry.
See what cars were white, and un accounted for.

I respectfully disagree with that strategy. Just because a car is not listed does not make it a possibility. Many cars are not listed. Cars listed could be unreported rebodies.

Saying the car is a GT350 based on only the transmission is also not reliable.

The information presented in this thread will not identify this car if it was a Shelby.
The original Influencer, check out www.thecoralsnake.com

Harris Speedster

I do agree with that.
It will never be recognized as a true original Shelby, can't, numbers are gone.
But;
As you brought out, re-bodies may exist, good to know.
As you said, un reported rebodies>>

Trans back to original owner via Dave, may show just that.
Maybe part of the deal is that the owner of that car, even if it does not exist anymore, would be requested to
fill in any blanks and past owners if a deal is made>> again, via Dave.

May also let Thomas, as well as the Club Records know what really happened.

may give him a picture and or the original owner that crashed it, OR did whatever to loose the front clip.
A white 67 350 will not be plentiful, one built with early date codes, may just fill in a blank in the registry.

Many possibilities Pete.
Just typical research that's sometimes reveals surprises>> some good for all involved may be gained.
Respectfully submitted,
John



Quote from: Coralsnake on June 28, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
QuoteThat is another avenue, scour the SAAC world registry.
See what cars were white, and un accounted for.

I respectfully disagree with that strategy. Just because a car is not listed does make it a possibility. Many cars are not listed. Cars listed could be unreported rebodies.

Saying the car is a GT350 based on only the transmission is also not reliable.

The information presented in this thread will not identify this car if it was a Shelby.
Is this the first futuristic exotic in the world?
Size of an ac cobra, but built in 1935 !
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/features-stories-and-photos/harris-fwd-speedster-the-story/?PHPSESSID=v4pqtv6hep4ff4rvalrc9qsnj7

Richstang

There were approximately 526 white '67's Shelby built, of those 178 were GT350. That's too many too sort though for guessing.

What are the majority of the permanent parts (not removable with bolts) date codes on the car indicating, for the build date (month / day)?
Assuming it was built in San Jose.
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Thomas

#109
Quote from: Richstang on June 28, 2019, 01:25:59 PM
There were approximately 526 white '67's Shelby built, of those 178 were GT350. That's too many too sort though for guessing.

What are the majority of the permanent parts (not removable with bolts) date codes on the car indicating, for the build date (month / day)?
Assuming it was built in San Jose.

The rear tail panel :    C7ZB 
                               2 23 D3

Rear speaker tray:     O ZB 63 O
                                  2 13 2

I haven't had time to record the other numbers yet, but they are there. Will most likely check again this weekend. If anyone has suggestions on where to locate panel numbers please chime in.
                             

Coralsnake

#110
Refresh my memory, why do you believe its was a GT350 ? Im not well versed on the 1967s
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pmustang

Thomas,  sorry,  i recently removed a T10 from a normal 65 GT fastback and it had a full VIN staking on it,  I assumed the same for your trans

J_Speegle

Quote from: Thomas on June 28, 2019, 01:34:01 PM
Rear speaker tray:     O ZB 63 O
                                  2 13 2

Naming the panel  that your looking at and documenting is often an issue when collecting date codes. I have no idea of what you would call a rear speaker tray on a 67 fastback. Just one of the challenges of  process



Quote from: Thomas on June 28, 2019, 01:34:01 PMI haven't had time to record the other numbers yet, but they are there. Will most likely check again this weekend. If anyone has suggestions on where to locate panel numbers please chime in.
                           

There are hundreds - just about every sheet metal panel will have a date - some of the unboltable items with have more than one since they are made up of multiple panels in a sub assembly. Fenders and doors are a good example. Where the date, from what side and other details all also play into the details
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gt350hr

Quote from: pmustang on June 28, 2019, 03:01:26 PM
Thomas,  sorry,  i recently removed a T10 from a normal 65 GT fastback and it had a full VIN staking on it,  I assumed the same for your trans

      I've never seen a Mustang T10 with a vin stamp. I do have a K code '65 Fairlane that has the vin stamped on the bottom of the tailhousing.
   Randy
Celebrating 46 years of drag racing 6S477 and no end in sight.

pmustang

Hello Randy

This one had the whole VIN. Who stamped it I cant say

65 GT fastback, PIO on data tag and all the other details that say GT FWIW


Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas

Quote from: gt350hr on July 01, 2019, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: pmustang on June 28, 2019, 03:01:26 PM
Thomas,  sorry,  i recently removed a T10 from a normal 65 GT fastback and it had a full VIN staking on it,  I assumed the same for your trans

      I've never seen a Mustang T10 with a vin stamp. I do have a K code '65 Fairlane that has the vin stamped on the bottom of the tailhousing.
   Randy

Wow a 65 Fairlane with a  K code, now that something you don't see everyday   Maybe you can use it as a tow car for you Shelby at the drag races, now that would be cool
Owned since 1971, NOW DRIVEN OVER 250,000 MILES, makes me smile every time I drive it and it makes me feel 21 again.😎

gt350hr

  The car was wrecked almost 50 years ago. So badly that it broke an ear on the main case. It is odd in the fact that "most" of the Fairlanes were toploaders in '65.   Steve , no tow cars in my category :(   Great idea though!
     Randy
Celebrating 46 years of drag racing 6S477 and no end in sight.

roddster

  Just saying:  The car has factory looking rear brake air ducting.  So, that eleminates at least the last one third of the production, if not roughly white cars built after the brake ducting was eliminated.  Wasn't that about car 14??
  How about...if they are still there.... the yellow wax written numbers on the cowl?

Coralsnake

Or someone added the ducting....no answer on the GT350 claim ?
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Bossbill

#119
The radiator is from either a 289 Mustang with extra cooling or a GT350 with extra cooling as it's a C7ZE with a T2 tag. Same one as in my car.
Only SJ cars got the W MO radiators with that tag. It also has the marking of a W MO and a date stamp on the passenger side of the top tank.
Need a pic of stamp to narrow down a possible date for the car.

That's two parts from a GT350 -- possibly. It's odd the radiator still exists.

on edit -- add some rad details.
Bill

67 GT350 Actual Build 3/2/67  01375
70 B302   6/6/70  0T02G160xxx