Shelby Buildings -Carter Ave.- 04/2022 1 NEW Pic - GT350 Production

[Szabo]

Hello and greetings from Germany,

my name is Steve and i am a little bit of nuts :-D ...
first i must apologize my german school english.

i am interessting in Facts and pictures for the Shelby Buildings.

i found infos about the Venice Shop and also the LAX Hangars...
the Venice Shop still exist on google and some pics
the LAX Hangars are good documentaded, even with airplane pics from above

But there are some pics from the CARTER Street Building ?

i will start a Photoanlyse about how big is the Building and how are stay
the photos together...


i found Pics from early 65 production and some pics from the other Thread about
the Transporter Vehicels ... but there even a hole shoot from outside ?
or even an old Shoot from bird-view, like the LAX Hangars ?







What your opinon on this

Steve from Germany

[Richstang]

Hi Steve,

Welcome to our SAAC forum.

I will try to help so you can get a better understanding of the Carter Avenue building (across the road from the 1042 Princeton Drive).
Let me look for some good photos for you tonight. and a post them up here.

Rich

[Richstang]

Here's a few Dave Freidman photo that show the Carter Avenue building exterior.

The street addresses for the three separate entrances of this building were;
- 3221 'Shelby American Inc. Sales & Finance Office' / Showroom
- 3219 Carroll Shelby Enterprises / Goodyear
- 3217 unknown at this time

[Szabo]

Thank you very much ...

in a first step i will analyse the photos i found in the internet and i will make a simple sketch with paint programm

I hope i can find all the little Details we like on those vintage photos, like the famous George Watters Collection
or the really detective work on the Shelby Vehicle Thread.

Please inform me if such a thread from Carter Building are done in this forum, because i think there will be
a lot of time to analyse and find same and different Details ...

First Pic


What we see:

Well, a shoot from inside carter building --- we see on the right side 5 GT350 in a row.
in the backround we see 2 big doors for cars, 1 for people, and 1 window

Second Pic


What we see:

Pic from Inside, another angle,
in backside we see 1 big door for cars, the litte door for people and 1 Window
on front wall and one Window on sidewall
we see 3 of of the 5 GT350 in the row

in frontside we see 4 GT350, one factory Top Stripe car
and the Car next to the Top Stripe car have a Oil Can standing bevor.

3rd Pic




What we see

another Angle, we see the the last 4 of the 5 GT350 standing in the row, and 3 GT350 standing on the floor,
another factory Top Stripe car

we see 4 Windows on the side wall, and the End of the Shop or a partition Wall with Bricket downside
and Glass upside ...


And here the simple sketch in paint programm

[Richstang]

A while back, I made a rough overlay of the Shelby & surrounding buildings back in 1962-65 for another SAAC member.
It shows the relationship between the two Venice buildings.

This should also help you to understand what you find in various photos of the Carter Avenue building.

[Richstang]

Thank you very much ...

in a first step i will analyse the photos i found in the internet and i will make a simple sketch with paint programm

I hope i can find all the little Details we like on those vintage photos, like the famous George Watters Collection
or the really detective work on the Shelby Vehicle Thread.

Please inform me if such a thread from Carter Building are done in this forum, because i think there will be
a lot of time to analyse and find same and different Details ...

First Pic


What we see:

Well, a shoot from inside carter building --- we see on the right side 5 GT350 in a row.
in the backround we see 2 big doors for cars, 1 for people, and 1 window

Second Pic


What we see:

Pic from Inside, another angle,
in backside we see 1 big door for cars, the litte door for people and 1 Window
on front wall and one Window on sidewall
we see 3 of of the 5 GT350 in the row

in frontside we see 4 GT350, one factory Top Stripe car
and the Car next to the Top Stripe car have a Oil Can standing bevor.

Yes, we are all very thankful to George Watters for sharing all those great photos (and to Kieth 'SFM66H' for spending an enormous amount of time scanning and posting each of them with detailed information on each photo).

I don't believe there are any threads that analyze the Carter Ave. building in detail. (I thought about it a while back)
Feel free to post your questions and thoughts on it.

From your above two (2) photos we see the backside of the building from the inside.
The far right window is near the outer wall, with the door entrance next, and the two garage doors near the center (of the backside) of the building.
On the other side of those two garage door is another (2nd) employee entrance door, two more windows, another (3rd employee entrance door, and finally another garage door at the corner of the building.

[Richstang]

Here are some more Dave Freidman photos that show the backside in closer detail

[69mach351w]

In the last photo, i'm assuming the "marine shop" at the right of the photo, is Oscar's boat covers? Seems about right from your schematic drawing.

[Szabo]

Thanks for the awesome outside pics ... and your support in my project

Never saw outside pics bevor

Was the factory at this time called Shelby American ?
(When yes so the term "Shelby American Inside" gets a hole new meaning  )

First Fact: The Carter was not so a small building as i expected

Second Fact: My Frontside is the Backside of the Building 

Well i will modified my Skeetch and analyse more Pics from Inside first

I guess we will have some fun here with this historic Pics

[Richstang]

In the last photo, i'm assuming the "marine shop" at the right of the photo, is Oscar's boat covers? Seems about right from your schematic drawing.

I'm not with you on that one. I think the 'Oscar's Boat Covers' building in not visible in the photo with the 'Marine Shop'.
It would be on the right side of Princeton Drive out of view.

I think the Marine shop may actually be on Lincoln blvd.
There was a 'Surf Board" shop next to it (on the left, behind the trailer camper) as seen in this Freidman photo.

[Richstang]

Thanks for the awesome outside pics ... and your support in my project

Never saw outside pics bevor

Was the factory at this time called Shelby American ?
(When yes so the term "Shelby American Inside" gets a hole new meaning  )

First Fact: The Carter was not so a small building as i expected

Second Fact: My Frontside is the Backside of the Building 

Well i will modified my Skeetch and analyse more Pics from Inside first

I guess we will have some fun here with this historic Pics

'Shelby American Inc.' was written on the glass entrance doors for both Venice buildings.

I agree with your first and second facts.

I've been trying to figure out when Shelby moved into the Carter building. Was it the same time as the Princeton building. (I suspect not)
The earliest photo or info I've found on Carter Ave is from late '63. The photo has the Daytona Coupe wood buck parked on Princeton Ave with the Carter building seen in the background. Parked on the side of the Carter building is the tractor trailer used to transport the race cars. The COE cab appears to be white, not the team Viking blue paint we typically see on it...yet.

We know he leased the Princeton Drive building from Lance Reventlow sometime around September 1962.

[Szabo]

In the Book Shelby American it is written that the Princeton Building was a little bit befor Sep. 62
i made a screen shot.

[deathsled]

 Wilkommen! Viele Grüsse aus Chicago. Woher kommen Sie?

Richard E.

[69mach351w]

In the last photo, i'm assuming the "marine shop" at the right of the photo, is Oscar's boat covers? Seems about right from your schematic drawing.

I'm not with you on that one. I think the 'Oscar's Boat Covers' building in not visible in the photo with the 'Marine Shop'.
It would be on the right side of Princeton Drive out of view.

I think the Marine shop may actually be on Lincoln blvd.
There was a 'Surf Board" shop next to it (on the left, behind the trailer camper) as seen in this Freidman photo.

Ok, that's why I stated "I'm assuming".

[Szabo]

Danke schön !!!

i came from "Schwäbisch Gmünd", about 50km from Stuttgart City, the Town from Mercedes Benz and Porsche also.

But my passion is about 65 - 67 Shelbys ...